They're politicians, any excuse will do.
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Politics, politics, politics
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They're politicians, any excuse will do.
Baleforce
Ron Henry
at no point has anybody who knows what they are talking about suggested it could be anything other than a car crash
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Luka Modric
Jacob Rees-Mogg said that "coup" is the wrong word, as he is following legitimate means to try and oust the PM.
"What has happened today is not Brexit," he continues. "The law to Leave has already been passed, the withdrawal act is through.
"But what we need is a leader to say to the European Union, it is impossible to divide up the United Kingdom, it is impossible to agree to a situation where we have a perpetual customs union, it is impossible to pay £39bn of taxpayers' money for a few promises which was meant to be £39bn for implementation of a deal, and it is impossible for us to allow the continuing jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice.
"The problem is that the negotiations have given way on all the key points."
"What has happened today is not Brexit," he continues. "The law to Leave has already been passed, the withdrawal act is through.
"But what we need is a leader to say to the European Union, it is impossible to divide up the United Kingdom, it is impossible to agree to a situation where we have a perpetual customs union, it is impossible to pay £39bn of taxpayers' money for a few promises which was meant to be £39bn for implementation of a deal, and it is impossible for us to allow the continuing jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice.
"The problem is that the negotiations have given way on all the key points."
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Luka Modric
Another letter of no confidence
Henry Smith, MP for Crawley, has handed in his letter of no confidence in Mrs May. (a reminder that 48 letters from Conservative MPs are needed to trigger a formal confidence vote)
Looking like the vote of no confidence will happen, what then? She survives and pushes this mess to parliament (which rejects it?), or she fails and someone else comes in - and then there are calls for a General Election?
Henry Smith, MP for Crawley, has handed in his letter of no confidence in Mrs May. (a reminder that 48 letters from Conservative MPs are needed to trigger a formal confidence vote)
Looking like the vote of no confidence will happen, what then? She survives and pushes this mess to parliament (which rejects it?), or she fails and someone else comes in - and then there are calls for a General Election?
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
The £39bn Mogg refers to was for previous financial commitments made- pensions for EU officials, money promised to Syrian refugees, loan guarantees to Greece and Ukraine,, migration schemes, etc. It is not a payment for favourable withdrawal conditions.
Mogg has a vested interest in the UK crashing out. His motives are not politically but financial.
Mogg has a vested interest in the UK crashing out. His motives are not politically but financial.
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
It's a long read (shorter than the book itself), but this kind of explains the subversion of democracy points properly: http://bostonreview.net/class-inequality/j-w-mason-market-police
Baleforce
Ron Henry
pretty much everything he says is a lie
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Because Canada, Korea, Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova have them
the deals we were offered?
Baleforce
Ron Henry
and said breached our red lines
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
And a new PM would accept and probably just squeeze through parliament.
We'd just need to get the EU to play ball over technological solutions to the Irish border.
the technological solutions they said they would accept if proven but if we couldn't prove them then have a back stop? If we were confident there was one we could have just accepted the backstop (*there is no technological solution).
The better deal was the one we were offered and turned down, with the EU accepting a solution on NI but we were not confident so turned it down.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
There is no technical solution, it is a nonsence idea, and even if they somehow devised one it would take many many years to get working (and probably would be immediately vandalised). The tech solution is a red herring.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Luka Modric
Its been done before, but this was the first way the EU decided to screw us. They knew no deal fully suited us, but refused to negotiate outside of the cookie cutter options they had.
The annoyance for me is that these existing cookie cutter options were all at one time negotiated, they werent the only original options when the EU was incepted.
It was a choice on their part to not even try to play ball.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
You need some tracking chips and an agreed sampling checking rate at the origin and destination facilities. Parcelforce++. Perfectly within the intellectual wit of a species that has a permanently inhabited international space station.
GB said they were better deals than this one, this one is our cookie cutter deal
OK put into practice with the backstop that won't be needed of it was possible
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Luka Modric
By comparison, yes - though as I read it he was originally talking Canada+ which isnt an option offered.
Theres no denying this deal is a horror show.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
That's what would have happened if May hadn't called the GE and lost her majority.
I'd absolutely go for it, but then I think its time to decolonialise Ireland anyway