41 thoughts on “West Ham United – match ratings

  1. Lloris – 6

    Walker – 5
    Dier – 5
    Vertonghen – 6
    Rose – 6.5

    Townsend – 4
    Mason – 4.5
    Bentaleb – 7
    Lamela – 6.5

    Dembele – 5
    Kane – 6

    Eriksen – 4
    Soldado – 5
    Chadli – 5

  2. Hugo Loris (the owl) – Not his usual self, a bit flappy, couldn't do much about the header but he will be dissapointed (and rightly so with conceding the 2nd) – 5

    Kyle Walker(the meerkat) – stop cutting back in decent areas….practice low whipped crosses between gk and defence….defensive wise ok – 6
    Jan Vertonghen (the polar bear) – Ok I guess some nervous moments, can play much better..he and Dier still have lots to improve as a pairing – 6
    Eric Dier (the otter) – same comments as Jan….has potential…needs to improve passing from the back – 6
    Danny Rose (the frog) – defensively ok…culpable a bit for 2nd goal…still kudos for getting us back in the game – 6

    Nabil Bentaleb(The racoon) – this boy started amazing then faded a bit…should score more…unlucky with shot first half – 6
    Ryan Mason(the squirrel) – again started well then faded, he and Bentaleb will keep getting better though – 6
    Erik Lamela (the fox) – to all people moaning, watch the game back and notice he was trying hardest and popping up in great positions, can do more – 6
    Andros Townsend (The Sloth) – Pretty bad really, touch passing….I hoped he would woof but all we got was a whimper – 4

    Moussa Dembele – (the grizzly bear) – Just awful really, their first goal and offered nothing…a player who should be doing much better – 3

    Harry Kane – (the antelope) – not on of his better displays should have put us 1 up, was missing in the game for long spells. – 6

    Subs

    Christian Eriksen – (the mouse) – didnt really effect the 2nd half, poor passing, we need more – 5
    Roberto Soldado – (the eagle) – Didnt do anything other than a lovely shot with outside of foot – 5
    Nacer Chadli – (the hippo) – Not enough time to do anything really – 5

    Poch – 5 Cannot be to critical but I feel BFS got us back in the game with poor subs…..we really need to dig deep this week. come on poch.

  3. Lloris – 6.5
    Walker – 5
    Dier – 6
    Verts – 6
    Rose – 6.5
    Mason – 6
    Bentaleb – 6
    Lamela – 4
    Dembélé – 3.5
    Townsend – 5
    Kane – 6 (up from 5 due to goal)

    Eriksen – 5
    Chadli – 5
    Soldado – 5

    Poch – 4 Needs another plan for when people pack the midfield and double up the wings.

  4. Nigeyman

    Hugo Loris (the owl) – Not his usual self, a bit flappy, couldn't do much about the header but he will be dissapointed (and rightly so with conceding the 2nd) – 5

    Kyle Walker(the meerkat) – stop cutting back in decent areas….practice low whipped crosses between gk and defence….defensive wise ok – 6
    Jan Vertonghen (the polar bear) – Ok I guess some nervous moments, can play much better..he and Dier still have lots to improve as a pairing – 6
    Eric Dier (the otter) – same comments as Jan….has potential…needs to improve passing from the back – 6
    Danny Rose (the frog) – defensively ok…culpable a bit for 2nd goal…still kudos for getting us back in the game – 6

    Nabil Bentaleb(The racoon) – this boy started amazing then faded a bit…should score more…unlucky with shot first half – 6
    Ryan Mason(the squirrel) – again started well then faded, he and Bentaleb will keep getting better though – 6
    Erik Lamela (the fox) – to all people moaning, watch the game back and notice he was trying hardest and popping up in great positions, can do more – 6
    Andros Townsend (The Sloth) – Pretty bad really, touch passing….I hoped he would woof but all we got was a whimper – 4

    Moussa Dembele – (the grizzly bear) – Just awful really, their first goal and offered nothing…a player who should be doing much better – 3

    Harry Kane – (the antelope) – not on of his better displays should have put us 1 up, was missing in the game for long spells. – 6

    Subs

    Christian Eriksen – (the mouse) – didnt really effect the 2nd half, poor passing, we need more – 5
    Roberto Soldado – (the eagle) – Didnt do anything other than a lovely shot with outside of foot – 5
    Nacer Chadli – (the hippo) – Not enough time to do anything really – 5

    Poch – 5 Cannot be to critical but I feel BFS got us back in the game with poor subs…..we really need to dig deep this week. come on poch.

    Holtby rubs his socks off and is much more effective than Lamela.

  5. Yiddo

    Holtby rubs his socks off and is much more effective than Lamela.

    Lamela has some way to go still but he is a good fit for Poch's system and sticks to the task. Holtby would be great if he had the same discipline.

  6. milo

    Lamela has some way to go still but he is a good fit for Poch's system and sticks to the task. Holtby would be great if he had the same discipline.

    Agree with that. We have to persevere with Lamela. He had a good 2nd half today.

  7. Yiddo

    Holtby rubs his socks off and is much more effective than Lamela.

    Thing is I will criticise Lamela when he does have a stinker…I do feel like he is an easy target round here for criticism though. It is my opinion that he can do so much more, he should be scoring more and effecting games more.

    However if anyone can convince me that he was worse than Moose or Townsend today then I am all ears. In fact he was the only one behind Kane who I could see making himself available for the ball, finding dangerous areas to run into and pressing effectivly. I also noticed today his passing was much quicker today though I accept it was not always accurate.

    None of the team played particulary well but I would pick Eric out as one of the better peformers….no way he should have been hooked at ht.

    I would like to see Holtby come back, I would rather see him in cm than say Aunty Pauline. would like to see him and Nabil fight it out for the lcm spot….though I think Bentaleb is and will grow to be far superior to Holtby.

  8. metalgear

    allardyce 8
    poch 5

    we the better team, for long periods, played worse than a lesser team. that is all.

    But then a team in a much better match position than the other with less than 10 minutes to go ended up drawing. I'd say Poch earned his bacon today. You can't as a manager help it if your set-up first team play under par. What you can do is make changes to turn around a bad position and instill a never give up mentality.

  9. Lloris – 5. Weirdly bad game from Lloris, didn't seem to come off his line like normal, same with corners too
    Walker – 5. Gave the ball away a lot. Again, not a great game from him at all.
    Dier – 7. Actually he looks pretty good, same with Jan, though we let two awful goals but how much because of them? I was at the game and sometimes it's hard to see. But in general I thought he was good, positive play forward too.
    Jan – 6.5. Solid game. Quite invisible a lot of the tim, unlike him.
    Bentaleb – 7.5 Another really solid performance. Great defensively, good passer, creative, controllerd.
    Mason – 5.5. Gave the ball away for NO REASON WHATSOEVER which led to their first goal. Lots of terrible shots – who was it who said he had a good shot when I said it was awful? The guy has a terrible shot on him.
    Lamela – 6.5. Again, not quite working for him, but he works so hard, always tries to be positive and still one of our better players. Just hope this isn't it, and there is the ability to kick on with him.
    Dembele – 5. Worst game in a long long time.
    Townsend – 5. Terrible. Simply not good enough.
    Kane – 6.5. Tricky one. I actually thought he was pretty bad today, but he kept going, won the penalty, got a goal. But really his performance was 5.5

    Eeriness came on an continued the pattern of sloppiness, but still way more involved than any of our other attacking players.
    Chadli didn't do much. Soldered had a great shot, but not much more.

    In general we looked so so much better when Mason and Andros went off. Would really like neither to start the final please!!!

  10. Lloris 7 – couple of critical saves – how often we say that

    Walker 6 – decent defensively but crosses into the box lacked threat
    Dier 6 – solid except he and Verts allowed Kouyate too much space for WHU's first
    Verts 6 – see Dier
    Rose 7 – impressive going forward, unlucky with effort just over the bar

    Bentaleb 7 – Spurs' MotM, controlled midfield
    Mason 7 – combined well with Bentaled and battled well

    Townsend 5 – ineffective and sloppy at times
    Dembele 4 – couple of good moments early on but otherwise very sloppy; it was his wayward back pass that let Hammers in for their first and yielded the initiative
    Lamela 7 – still tends to run into road blocks and play suicide passes but today he was everywhere and helped get the ball forward quickly

    Kane 7 – so much of what he tried didn't come off today but, such determination, he never fudgeing gives up

    Subs

    Eriksen 6 – still off the boil but at least tesedtkeeper with a well-struck fk
    Soldado 5 – also tested keeper but offered very little otherwise
    Chadli n/a

    Poch 7 – not sure he can be to blame for the number of errors we're currently littering our play with, got the early Dembele sub right but for me he should have replaced Townsend after 60 with Chadli rather than Soldado given his grater goal threat

  11. We saw a few things today

    – Once again, 2nd string is not good enough
    – Dembele is a good option at times, but ultimately isn't good enough
    – Eriksen needs to be on the pitch

    General comments

    – Felt very worried about half way through the game, we look like a side that has played 42 games, mentally tired
    – 2nd goal is all Rose, completely fell asleep to man behind

    – Mason got some Townsend sickness, too much shooting. Too loose today
    – Poor from Dembele/Townsend

    – Walker either injured/ill, took 70-odd minutes to play forward

    Great attitude/belief again to pull it back.

  12. lorris7 good save to keep it at 2 0
    walker 5 hes usual brain fart plus hes crossing was poor
    verts 7 decent game apart from the goal
    dier 7 see above
    rose 8 one of the few that kept going and new what this game meant, i cant belive im saying this but hes playing better then davies
    bentleb 7 slow start but got better
    mason 5 poor today
    dembele 4 was annnoymus but hes been playing well lately so he due a bad game
    lamela 8 he was everywhere and helped get the ball forward quickly and hes movement took west ham defenders out of poistion
    towsend 3 utter rubbish and did nothing again rightly subbed
    kane 7 worked hes socks off but got lucky with the pen

  13. milo

    Lamela has some way to go still but he is a good fit for Poch's system and sticks to the task. Holtby would be great if he had the same discipline.

    Stick to the task? Lamela was nowhere near Creswell for the cross that led to their second goal. Walked ended up having to defend both their LM and LB. Lamela bears more blame for their second goal than Rose and the lineman combined.

  14. If we had wanted a player who ran around a lot, had energy, and put in a few tackles (including some rash ones) we could have paid a lot less than we did for Lamela, and got a better player to do that. I didn't think that is what we bought Lamela for.

    I can't believe we are still defending a player over midway through the second season by saying he works hard, tries to be positive, and it will work out in the end.
    Pretty much every other player we have signed or promoted into the first XI since buying Lamela has shown more at some point, even Townsend who is often woeful. At what point do we accept that a) he will never be the player we hoped for b) the player that he actually is isn't great. We should have sold him in January -now we are probably stuck with him, given that Levy doesn't like selling at a loss. Hopefully some Italian club will risk a punt for him in the summer – where he will probably do fine.

  15. Eeriness came on an continued the pattern of sloppiness, but still way more involved than any of our other attacking players.
    Chadli didn't do much. Soldered had a great shot, but not much more.

    Lol. Damn you predictive text™

  16. Lamela was GHod awful yet again. If it wasnt for dembele's horror show he would have been our worst player by far – so bad going forward.

    Walker was poor today.

    Overall very average. For me Vertonghen, Rose and Bentelab were the best of a bad bunch (20mins onwards)

  17. I actually can't BELEIVE some of the ratings for Lamela….. He was appalling. Townsend had far more impact on the game – how lamela keeps starting recently is beyond me when Chadli is spending time on the bench.

  18. LCLC

    I actually can't BELEIVE some of the ratings for Lamela….. He was appalling. Townsend had far more impact on the game – how lamela keeps starting recently is beyond me when Chadli is spending time on the bench.

    They were both as bad as the other ultimately.

    Lamela was bad because everything he tried didn't come off – Townsend was bad because he never really tried anything. I know which i prefer…

  19. Walker looks exhausted to me, and I really think he needs a break against Fiorentina. He's one of our best players, but after a long time out, he's barely had a game off. We also don't really have a replacement. Vlad at RB?

  20. SpurSF

    Walker looks exhausted to me, and I really think he needs a break against Fiorentina. He's one of our best players, but after a long time out, he's barely had a game off. We also don't really have a replacement. Vlad at RB?

    Stick Dier out there, at least he won't be able to cost us anymore goals at CB for the moment.
    The kid is a good prospect but Balotelli and then one today were down to him getting the fundamentals wrong. He needs a break from this, and chance to reflect. If he stays there, and keeps doing the same thing again and again he will be assumed to be a crap centre half, which he's not.

    Yedlin is not eligible for EL, right?
    If I were Poch I'd be putting a reserve side together ready for the mission to Italy, and have a first team spending all week getting ready for the Chelski cup final.

  21. NWND

    But then a team in a much better match position than the other with less than 10 minutes to go ended up drawing. I'd say Poch earned his bacon today. You can't as a manager help it if your set-up first team play under par. What you can do is make changes to turn around a bad position and instill a never give up mentality.

    however the manager's role is to ensure that you set up the first team especially the starting eleven as best you can. leaving out eriksen was always going to be a big risk.

  22. metalgear

    however the manager's role is to ensure that you set up the first team especially the starting eleven as best you can. leaving out eriksen was always going to be a big risk.

    That's true, but we've seen time and again that plan A does not always work in football. We did not have a lot of time to prepare for this game, whereas West Ham had clearly got a strategy to deal with our threats and weaknesses.

    Ultimately, plan A nose-dived quite badly during the match, but plan B clawed back a desperate situation in order to salvage a point from a poor performance and terrible situation.

    My point to the poster was that its not quite as simple as saying Allardyce is an 8 and Poch is a 4 from the match. Allardyce's team lost a ridiculously good situation to Poch's team. I'd say both managers were about a 6 from the match.

    I didn't agree with Eriksen being left out, but it was an understandable call. The XI on the pitch should have been good enough to perform better than they did. It's not Poch's fault that the ability to pass to a team-mate appeared to dissapear from much of the team for various periods of the first half. Second half was a lot better, their goal aside and we rescued the situation in the end.

  23. chicken_badge

    Stick Dier out there, at least he won't be able to cost us anymore goals at CB for the moment.
    The kid is a good prospect but Balotelli and then one today were down to him getting the fundamentals wrong. He needs a break from this, and chance to reflect. If he stays there, and keeps doing the same thing again and again he will be assumed to be a crap centre half, which he's not.

    Yedlin is not eligible for EL, right?
    If I were Poch I'd be putting a reserve side together ready for the mission to Italy, and have a first team spending all week getting ready for the Chelski cup final.

    Are you joking, Chiriches is definitely a better option at RB than Dier…

  24. superpav

    lorris7 good save to keep it at 2 0
    walker 5 hes usual brain fart plus hes crossing was poor
    verts 7 decent game apart from the goal
    dier 7 see above
    rose 8 one of the few that kept going and new what this game meant, i cant belive im saying this but hes playing better then davies
    bentleb 7 slow start but got better
    mason 5 poor today
    dembele 4 was annnoymus but hes been playing well lately so he due a bad game
    lamela 8 he was everywhere and helped get the ball forward quickly and hes movement took west ham defenders out of poistion
    towsend 3 utter rubbish and did nothing again rightly subbed
    kane 7 worked hes socks off but got lucky with the pen

    Dembele due a bad game? that's all right then !

  25. Lloris 7 made some great saves to keep us in the game
    Walker 4 one of his poorest matches in a long time, looks tired should be rested Thursday
    Verts 6 did OK but not at his best
    Dier 6 same as Jan
    Rose 7.5 got caught sleeping for second goal but aside from that one of our best players
    Bentaleb 7.5 our best in midfield
    Mason 5 not very good
    Dembele 3 awful forgot he was playing for most of the match
    Townsend 6 not his best day but did put in some nice balls in first half that nobody got on end of
    Lamela 5 tried but a pretty poor performance
    Kane 7 not his best day West Ham did a good job of crowding him out wouldn't let him turn to cause problems

    Eriksen 7 we missed him
    Soldado 6 I think his only touch was his shot on goal but unlucky not to score
    Chadli NA not enough time

  26. Nigeyman

    Thing is I will criticise Lamela when he does have a stinker…I do feel like he is an easy target round here for criticism though. It is my opinion that he can do so much more, he should be scoring more and effecting games more.

    However if anyone can convince me that he was worse than Moose or Townsend today then I am all ears. In fact he was the only one behind Kane who I could see making himself available for the ball, finding dangerous areas to run into and pressing effectivly. I also noticed today his passing was much quicker today though I accept it was not always accurate.

    None of the team played particulary well but I would pick Eric out as one of the better peformers….no way he should have been hooked at ht.

    I would like to see Holtby come back, I would rather see him in cm than say Aunty Pauline. would like to see him and Nabil fight it out for the lcm spot….though I think Bentaleb is and will grow to be far superior to Holtby.

    Spot on for me. Although Dembele also pressed quite well I thought.

    Charlie

    Stick to the task? Lamela was nowhere near Creswell for the cross that led to their second goal. Walked ended up having to defend both their LM and LB. Lamela bears more blame for their second goal than Rose and the lineman combined.

    What? Creswell? For the second goal? I think you might have to watch that again…

  27. NWND

    That's true, but we've seen time and again that plan A does not always work in football. We did not have a lot of time to prepare for this game, whereas West Ham had clearly got a strategy to deal with our threats and weaknesses.

    Ultimately, plan A nose-dived quite badly during the match, but plan B clawed back a desperate situation in order to salvage a point from a poor performance and terrible situation.

    My point to the poster was that its not quite as simple as saying Allardyce is an 8 and Poch is a 4 from the match. Allardyce's team lost a ridiculously good situation to Poch's team. I'd say both managers were about a 6 from the match.

    I didn't agree with Eriksen being left out, but it was an understandable call. The XI on the pitch should have been good enough to perform better than they did. It's not Poch's fault that the ability to pass to a team-mate appeared to dissapear from much of the team for various periods of the first half. Second half was a lot better, their goal aside and we rescued the situation in the end.

    agree with what you said but it comes down to expecting that first XI to just keep on playing good flowing football regardless of personnel changes. my personal experience is that its always so much easier playing with friends than strangers; also the possibility of completing that 50:50 through pass is so much higher, compared to playing with acquaintances. and i'd rather take eriksen off while we're leading than introduce him while we're trailing.

  28. metalgear

    agree with what you said but it comes down to expecting that first XI to just keep on playing good flowing football regardless of personnel changes. my personal experience is that its always so much easier playing with friends than strangers; also the possibility of completing that 50:50 through pass is so much higher, compared to playing with acquaintances. and i'd rather take eriksen off while we're leading than introduce him while we're trailing.

    I agree, if you look at my post right at the beginning of the match thread, i said no resting players, Allardyces teams are always a tough game and we needed to play our strongest XI. But all i'm saying is that, having said that, resting Eriksen was an understandable call, in that while i didn't personally agree with it, it wasn't a "WTF" decision.

  29. Yiddo

    Sorry a hard working youngster that does not dwell on the ball.

    He doesn't dwell on the ball that much though does he? You've stated you prefer Townsend. THERE'S a player who 'dwells on the ball'

  30. NWND

    He doesn't dwell on the ball that much though does he? You've stated you prefer Townsend. THERE'S a player who 'dwells on the ball'

    I'd say he often thinks he has time to dwell on the ball. I'm not sure if I've seen a player dispossessed so much from a player coming from behind when he's about to try to take someone on, very frustrating.

  31. spurspinter1

    I'd say he often thinks he has time to dwell on the ball. I'm not sure if I've seen a player dispossessed so much from a player coming from behind when he's about to try to take someone on, very frustrating.

    I have to agree. Lamela seems to always pause for a milliesecond when he receives the ball. Enough time to either be dispossessed or for the simple ball to disappear. Can he overcome this problem? I am not sure he can and may be better suited to a European League than the EPL. Only time will tell.

  32. Pirate55

    I have to agree. Lamela seems to always pause for a milliesecond when he receives the ball. Enough time to either be dispossessed or for the simple ball to disappear. Can he overcome this problem? I am not sure he can and may be better suited to a European League than the EPL. Only time will tell.

    Tend to agree, except you're being a little indulgent there. All too often it's more like a millenium than a millisecond … ;)

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