Match preview – Canning Town Bingo and Social Club

Tottenham Hotspur v West ‘Am United
White Hart Lane
Sunday February 22nd K.O. 12pm
Referee – Jonathan Moss

Pochettino

Tottenham Head Coach – Mauricio Pochettino

Tottenham Hotspur manager – Mauricio Pochettino

Sam Allardyce

The Canning Town faithful will be behind Sam Allardyce

West ‘Am manager – Fat Sam the big dirty toe-raggin’ wanquer!

Mauricio Pochettino will be consuming his lunch in one of the stadium’s executive restaurants using cutlery and fine linens, whilst Fat Sam will be receiving his from some sheepskin-clad ‘errand boy’ in a large braahn papah bag (plenty of green in that meal for his good ‘elf)…

Dildo brothers

The Mighty Spurs take on Fat Sam’s jellied eels, the Dildo Brothers, dodgy East End market traders (as in Sunday morning not daily dawn-risers), and Karren Brady (insult enough in the name!) to name but four foul and odious things. What can we say? Not much except their followers must be sent packing back to gangsterland where they can continue to thieve a living selling dodgy watches, packs of tea-towels and useless home electronics from their market stalls with their LAAAHDEST VOICES POSSIBLE ELLO DARLIN I’M SAATCH A CHARMIN’ GEEEEZAH charm before retiring to their luxury caravans. They will, of course, only be successful in this if they don’t injure their knuckles sloping back off down the High Street after a pitch stuffing courtesy of Messers Kane, Eriksen, Lamela, Bentaleb, etc…by the way, unless the sky is completely overcast, be sure to wear sunglasses as you will have to follow portions of the game in the skies as Wet Spam pepper the air with rocket balls launched from their player’s hoofs.

RayBan Wayfarer

Fans who have seen an Allardyce side before will know to come prepared

Sunday is about cold-blooded revenge. Twice we allowed them to turn us over on OUR PITCH, but Sunday will see a return to winning ways.

Line ups

Tottenham Hotspur

West ‘Am

 

Prediction

3-1

Lamela, Kane, Mason

I further predict Levy will dispense with some of his finest reserve amber nectar and offer it in Dixie cups on a wooden tray to the opposition board for post-match refreshments in a small broom closet near the main toilets. He will not be present, as he will have a pressing engagement with his navel, a small piece of fluff and some paint drying in the corner of his office which will require his URGENT attention.

COYS!

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Tasmin Archer and friends cheering on their beloved Spurs

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482 thoughts on “Match preview – Canning Town Bingo and Social Club

  1. thfcsteff

    Tottenham Hotspur v West 'Am United
    White Hart Lane
    Sunday February 22nd K.O. 12pm
    Referee – Jonathan Moss

    Tottenham Hotspur manager – Mauricio Pochettino
    West 'Am manager – Fat Sam the big dirty toe-raggin' wanquer!

    Mauricio Pochettino will be consuming his lunch in one of the stadium's executive restaurants using cutlery and fine linens, whilst Fat Sam will be receiving his from some sheepskin-clad 'errand boy' in a large braahn papah bag (plenty of green in that meal for his good 'elf)…

    The Mighty Spurs take on Fat Sam's jellied eels, the Dildo Brothers, dodgy East End market traders (as in Sunday morning not daily dawn-risers), and Karren Brady (insult enough in the name!) to name but four foul and odious things. What can we say? Not much except their followers must be sent packing back to gangsterland where they can continue to thieve a living selling dodgy watches, packs of tea-towels and useless home electronics from their market stalls with their LAAAHDEST VOICES POSSIBLE ELLO DARLIN I'M SAATCH A CHARMIN' GEEEEZAH charm before retiring to their luxury caravans. They will, of course, only be successful in this if they don't injure their knuckles sloping back off down the High Street after a pitch stuffing courtesy of Messers Kane, Eriksen, Lamela, Bentaleb, etc…by the way, unless the sky is completely overcast, be sure to wear sunglasses as you will have to follow portions of the game in the skies as Wet Spam pepper the air with rocket balls launched from their player's hoofs.

    Sunday is about cold-blooded revenge. Twice we allowed them to turn us over on OUR PITCH, but Sunday will see a return to winning ways.

    TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR

    Lloris

    Walker
    Dier
    Verts
    Rose

    Mason
    Bentaleb

    Lamela
    Dembele
    Eriksen

    Kane

    WEST 'AM

    Hoofer

    Hoofer
    Hoofer
    Hoofer
    Gooner

    Runner
    Gooner
    Hoofer
    Runner

    Sprinter
    Sprinter

    3-1

    Lamela, Kane, Mason

    I further predict Levy will dispense with some of his finest reserve amber nectar and offer it in Dixie cups on a wooden tray to the opposition board for post-match refreshments in a small broom closet near the main toilets. He will not be present, as he will have a pressing engagement with his navel, a small piece of fluff and some paint drying in the corner of his office which will require his URGENT attention.

    COYS!

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    You know there's a Fat Sam avatar waiting at the end of this game?

  2. Pirate55

    Of the next three games, this is the least important IMO. We need to field a team capable of withstanding a bruising.

    Personally, I would rest Kane and Eriksen for this one.

    Really don't fancy our chances if both are rested. Maybe rest Eriksen at a push, but I would play both, they should be able to handle two games in a few days considering we've had 9 days off. I believe next Thursday is the least important.

  3. Jurgen the German

    Really don't fancy our chances if both are rested. Maybe rest Eriksen at a push, but I would play both, they should be able to handle two games in a few days considering we've had 9 days off. I believe next Thursday is the least important.

    Agree with you. Personally I think we have much greater chance of finishing 4th than winning the EL

  4. galeforce

    eriksen has been poor in the last few games (by the standard he has set himself), i'd be tempted to give Lamela the start in his place

    I don't think we're good enough to rest players of Eriksen and Kane's calibre. They are head and shoulders above the rest of the outfield players in terms of end product. I think they have to play virtually every minute of every important game as long as they are fit, even if they have poor spells.

  5. Pirate55

    Of the next three games, this is the least important IMO. We need to field a team capable of withstanding a bruising.

    Personally, I would rest Kane and Eriksen for this one.

    I agree with this, I want to get a good result on Thursday and Sunday so would rest a couple for this.

  6. parklane1

    I agree with this, I want to get a good result on Thursday and Sunday so would rest a couple for this.

    What happened to that quote you was agreeing with yesterday – next game is your most important, try to win that and then move on to the next?? (May not have been exactly that)

    ;)

  7. No resting players if we can help it. We need to regain momentum in the league after the Liverpool result and despite some poorer recent results and some injuries, they are a strong, powerful well-drilled side, as always with Fat Sam teams, we will know we've been in a game.

    LLoris

    Walker Dier/Fazio Vertonghen Rose

    Mason Bentaleb

    Lamela Dembele Eriksen

    Kane

    Might be tempted to play Fazio as they're a physical team and fire in a lot of crosses and set pieces and this is big Faz''s strength.

  8. Pirate55

    Of the next three games, this is the least important IMO. We need to field a team capable of withstanding a bruising.

    Personally, I would rest Kane and Eriksen for this one.

    It's a combination of priority & timing

    Play full strength Sunday, you have a full week to cup final, hence likely make sense to get your best players a run, get match time, get a good result for confidence.

  9. milo

    I'm beginning to think that he likes it

    Hahaha you pair of wanquers!!!! I calculated the risks and realized that I believe so much in Poch and co that my shoulders couod easily handle the potential tragedy. Because it's potential is the size of a pygmy flea. 3-1. More if we take out chances!!!

  10. thfcsteff

    Hahaha you pair of wanquers!!!! I calculated the risks and realized that I believe so much in Poch and co that my shoulders couod easily handle the potential tragedy. Because it's potential is the size of a pygmy flea. 3-1. More if we take out chances!!!

    This is the second year on the trot that you have only dipped your toe in the OMT pool when Fat Sam is on the horizon and you protest too much ;)

  11. milo

    This is the second year on the trot that you have only dipped your toe in the OMT pool when Fat Sam is on the horizon and you protest too much ;)

    In fairness I have done one other this season (Deathstar thread), but yes, something about his cro-magnon features draws me out!!!!!

  12. ————–Lloris

    Dier—-Verts—Fazio—Kaboul

    ——–Capoue–Dembele

    -Townsend–Paulinho–Chadli

    ————-Soldado

    Plenty of muscle, and key players saved for the bigger matches in Florence and at Wembley.

  13. …………………… Lloris
    Walker …… Dier…. Vertonghen …… Rose
    …………. Bentaleb … Mason
    Lamela ………. Dembele ……. Eriksen
    ……………………… Kane

    Comfortable Spurs win; attractive flowing football in possession, intense pressing when not. We'll over-run a depleted team that has punched above its weight all year and is about to commence a spectacular end of season implosion. Wishful thinking… …. …. West Ham 0 – 3 Spurs

  14. Yiddo

    Would like us to get the goal difference up against these crud teams at home. When was the last time we had 20+ or over goal difference?

    When was the last time we beat the Spammers at White Hart Lane?? 😉 one step at a time I'd happily take a scrappy 1-0!

  15. Lloris, Walker, Dier, Vertonghen, Rose, Mason, Bentaleb, Lamela, Dembele, Chadli, Kane
    subs: Vorm, Fazio, Davies, Stambouli, Eriksen, Townsend, Soldado

    Interestingly Soldado has scored 6 goals (all from open play) since last March – on each occasion he has not been in the starting XI for the next game.

  16. GPRD81

    Lloris, Walker, Dier, Vertonghen, Rose, Mason, Bentaleb, Lamela, Dembele, Chadli, Kane
    subs: Vorm, Fazio, Davies, Stambouli, Eriksen, Townsend, Soldado

    Interestingly Soldado has scored 6 goals (all from open play) since last March – on each occasion he has not been in the starting XI for the next game.

    This is possibly the best match of the next few to rotate Kane out of the team.

  17. Gutter Boy

    ————–Lloris

    Dier—-Verts—Fazio—Kaboul

    ——–Capoue–Dembele

    -Townsend–Paulinho–Chadli

    ————-Soldado

    Plenty of muscle, and key players saved for the bigger matches in Florence and at Wembley.

    Never want to see Capoue or Kaboul in a Spurs shirt ever again, are you taking the tinkle? .. I agree that Soldado should start to see if he can get a run going.

    Stambouli for Capoue, Davies for Kaboul, Walker for Verts and move Dier to CB.. Lamela in for Paulinho and you have my team.

    Should be a comfortable win.

  18. Gutter Boy

    ————–Lloris

    Dier—-Verts—Fazio—Kaboul

    ——–Capoue–Dembele

    -Townsend–Paulinho–Chadli

    ————-Soldado

    Plenty of muscle, and key players saved for the bigger matches in Florence and at Wembley.

    Kaboul, Capoue and Paulinho in the same team. :eek::eek::eek:

    I say no no no. Someone needs rehab ;)

  19. Gutter Boy

    ————–Lloris

    Dier—-Verts—Fazio—Kaboul

    ——–Capoue–Dembele

    -Townsend–Paulinho–Chadli

    ————-Soldado

    Plenty of muscle, and key players saved for the bigger matches in Florence and at Wembley.

    No thanks

  20. thfcsteff

    In fairness I have done one other this season (Deathstar thread), but yes, something about his cro-magnon features draws me out!!!!!

    At least you have done the decent thing and made your avatar choice easier

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  21. Nigeyman

    We need to win this!!!!

    Lads its West Ham!

    yeah…well, were their main rivals now… along with smellsea and arse…

    off course its their cup final…

    so we should celebrate as if we have won cup .LOL..if we win!

    Come on you Spurs…………………..

  22. Got to say I am worried, all the debate about rotation resting certain players.

    We really need to get back our momentum after we lost it a few days after the NLD. We need a win and we need to take this into thursday & Sunday.

    I am a spurs fanatic…so naturally I am worried about being abused by Big Fat Sam! then on Thursday I can see Extra time and Penalties ensuring we have perfect preparation against a team who badly want to humiliate us in a final.

    Comfort me! butter me up! whisper sweet nothings into my ear.

    We need reasons to be positive…. we need momentum to give us a chance in what is a nightmare schedule of football.
    In short we NEED TO SMASH THESE ANAL PROBES INTO THE DIRT!!!!

    Come on fellow yiddo's, we need to snarl…..we need to growl….and we certainly need to start woofing!

    Amen ye buggers!!!!! COYS! 4 goals from our Harry please!

  23. LutonSpurs

    Just found out my sisters BT Sport subscription has been cancelled today. Gutted I cannot watch it in front of the telly with no buffering. twelve-wired bird-of-paradises it is.

    The ridiculous kick-off time screws everyone involved in Sunday league football too. Sky brickting on grassroots again

  24. diego_maradona

    No rotation. Same team that played arsenal. Same intensity please

    But we have a cup final in 7 days and a vital European match before then too.

    We are also playing the most physical team in the league who will be out to nobble us from the start.

    We've got to rotate for this one

  25. Gutter Boy

    But we have a cup final in 7 days and a vital European match before then too.

    We are also playing the most physical team in the league who will be out to nobble us from the start.

    We've got to rotate for this one

    We'll lose then. Maybe you're right. This top 4 race is very possible. Will be gutted to not beat West Ham

  26. diego_maradona

    We'll lose then. Maybe you're right. This top 4 race is very possible. Will be gutted to not beat West Ham

    We have a big squad – albeit of questionable quality beyond a few – we simply must rotate for this game to have any chance in the other two. The alternative is to play a full first eleven tomorrow, a complete reserve side on Thursday and then the first eleven again next Sunday to give us a level playing field in terms of rest against the Chelscum.

    There is simply no way any single player can play three games in a week culminating in a cup final. One of the reasons we beat Chelscum and Larsnl was that we caught them after a heavy schedule and, with Chelscum not rotating and Larsnl having injuries, both looked lethargic compared to our high press.

    The team that takes the field against Chelscum need to be as fresh as possible if we are to repeat our result against them.

  27. thfcsteff

    Hahahaha Shaney, you have found a corker here, how utterly repulsive does 'it' look in this photo? Hahahahaha…

    Looks like a shoo in for an Avatar. Let's all hope it's not needed! ;)

  28. Pirate55

    We have a big squad – albeit of questionable quality beyond a few – we simply must rotate for this game to have any chance in the other two. The alternative is to play a full first eleven tomorrow, a complete reserve side on Thursday and then the first eleven again next Sunday to give us a level playing field in terms of rest against the Chelscum.

    There is simply no way any single player can play three games in a week culminating in a cup final. One of the reasons we beat Chelscum and Larsnl was that we caught them after a heavy schedule and, with Chelscum not rotating and Larsnl having injuries, both looked lethargic compared to our high press.

    The team that takes the field against Chelscum need to be as fresh as possible if we are to repeat our result against them.

    I agree with your overall sentiments about careful team selection BUT it has to be remembered that we had the same schedule as Chelski and Arsenal before we played them…

  29. Pirate55

    We have a big squad – albeit of questionable quality beyond a few – we simply must rotate for this game to have any chance in the other two. The alternative is to play a full first eleven tomorrow, a complete reserve side on Thursday and then the first eleven again next Sunday to give us a level playing field in terms of rest against the Chelscum.

    There is simply no way any single player can play three games in a week culminating in a cup final. One of the reasons we beat Chelscum and Larsnl was that we caught them after a heavy schedule and, with Chelscum not rotating and Larsnl having injuries, both looked lethargic compared to our high press.

    The team that takes the field against Chelscum need to be as fresh as possible if we are to repeat our result against them.

    I do not think that we need to have two different sides for weekend and midweek fixtures. I think that we can rotate players, so that they play two out of three or three out of four. I think that should be sufficient to give key players a rest and is realistic given the weakness of our team outside the core fifteen or sixteen players. I agree that playing the strongest side possible next Sunday has to be the aim but I think that we can do this with the approach I am suggesting. I also think that this is what Poch will do.

  30. We HAVE to win tomorrow. Three points tomorrow and then we can worry about who can/should play in Italy or the league cup final.

    I'd play the following:

    Lloris

    Walker Fazio Vertonghen Rose

    Bentaleb Mason

    Lamela Dembele Eriksen

    Kane

    That should a good mix of muscle, aerial power and pace to give us the edge in what will be a tough match, especially as BFS is under the cosh after recent poor displays. I hope we score an early goal to force them to come out and not drag the game into the mud (like I suspect they'll want to do).

    COYS

  31. glorygloryeze

    I agree with your overall sentiments about careful team selection BUT it has to be remembered that we had the same schedule as Chelski and Arsenal before we played them…

    Exactly, in what way did Chelsea or arsenal have a heavier schedule to us leading up to the game? let alone taking in to account the whole season where we've played more than anyone else!

  32. thfcsteff

    You bastard! How can I ever un-see these!!!!!!! Bottom right is particularly grotesque and sticky (this is genius, you win the internet)…

    ***Steff disappears to Photoshop his face over Miley Cyrus***

  33. AdamB

    Anyone know which of out players are one booking away from a suspension? Obviously any suspensions incurred today will rule players out of the final

    Some info on cards during season on BBC Spurs site – no time to research myself, as off to sunny Croydon to watch match before a rehearsal.

    Would like to make an early bid for several players to be my favourite today.

  34. Gutter Boy

    ————–Lloris

    Dier—-Verts—Fazio—Kaboul

    ——–Capoue–Dembele

    -Townsend–Paulinho–Chadli

    ————-Soldado

    Plenty of muscle, and key players saved for the bigger matches in Florence and at Wembley.

    I know what you mean but there aren't many goals in that team.

    And no doubt, next Sunday is bigger than today, but in reality it's tight between the other two; points-wise we're still well in with a shout for 4th, albeit we're the outside bet of the three pushing.

    On balance, I'd go full strength today and next Sunday with a lot of rotation for Thursday.

    Of course, it's subjective but that would be the way I'd play it.

  35. AdamB

    Anyone know which of out players are one booking away from a suspension? Obviously any suspensions incurred today will rule players out of the final

    Spurs do not have any players that is one booking away from a suspension atm.

  36. Tottenham Hotspur

    • 01 Lloris
    • 02 Walker
    • 15 Dier
    • 05 Vertonghen
    • 03 Rose
    • 38 Mason
    • 42 Bentaleb
    • 17 Townsend
    • 19 Dembélé
    • 11 Lamela
    • 18 Kane

    Substitutes

    • 09 Soldado
    • 13 Vorm
    • 21 Fazio
    • 22 Chadli
    • 23 Eriksen
    • 25 Stambouli
    • 33 Davies
  37. Spammers

    • 13 Adrián
    • 18 Jenkinson
    • 02 Reid
    • 05 Tomkins
    • 03 Cresswell
    • 16 Noble
    • 30 Song
    • 08 Kouyaté
    • 11 Downing
    • 31 E Valencia
    • 15 Sakho

    Substitutes

    • 04 Nolan
    • 07 Jarvis
    • 17 O'Brien
    • 19 Collins
    • 20 Demel
    • 22 Jääskeläinen
    • 24 Cole
  38. Yiddo

    Stambouli back just in time for our midweek game. Eriksen rested.

    Good timing for Stambouli. Interesting no Ade even on the bench, prob means he won't play again.
    Surprised Townsend is playing again, and also hope Walker gets a rest on Thursday!

    COYS!!!

  39. milo

    It looks like Townsend will be playing on the left. I wonder if Poch has identified a weakness there or is just rotating.

    i think rotating, but who knows it might turn out to be a good decision by chance. Hopefully because he will be on his left foot he will deliver more first time crosses. I remember on Thurs Bentaleb at one moment having a go at Townsend for not whipping in a first time cross whilst on the right side and on his right foot.

  40. milo

    It looks like Townsend will be playing on the left. I wonder if Poch has identified a weakness there or is just rotating.

    Of late Towsend's work rate has been impressive. Wet Spam are an energetic, rough lot and hopefully Townsend can put in a shift and make an impact.

  41. Think Poch has got the balance right between resting players and looking to win not just all four of the games leading up to and including the final but also the two in the week after it. I think he's working on the basis that no-one can start all six games, max 4 or 5. I'm expecting Bentaleb, Verts and perhaps Walker to get a rest in Florence

  42. Denmark Spur

    Spurs do not have any players that is one booking away from a suspension atm.

    good bet to put money on a red card then, something will screw us, west hams entire game plan will be to knock as many players out of next weeks final as possible

  43. Huddy

    Interesting that Dier is preferred over Fazio, I may get shot down but Dier over Fazio for me.

    COYS!!!

    rotation. Personally I would have played Dier on Thurs and Fazio today

    Might well see Dier and Fazio at CB on Thurs

  44. scaramanga

    I'm not a fan of rotating cb partnerships

    agree but we're plaing Thurs, Sun, Thurs, Sun, Wed, Sat…….I dont think anyone should start all 6 so rotation is unfortunately needed

  45. Pirate55

    Dembele has started off the pace. Needs to pick it up

    yep. I think Poch was right to rotate the team, but the three behind Kane doesnt give me confidence – Lamela still isnt producing his best, Dembele is a CM (in my view) and Townsend is, well, Townsend. Our best two in those three positions are on the bench

  46. AdamB

    rotation. Personally I would have played Dier on Thurs and Fazio today

    Might well see Dier and Fazio at CB on Thurs

    I'm not saying you're wrong on rotation it's possible, but you rarely see Vertonghen rotated. Normally central defensive partnerships if working rarely get rotated outside injury, I still don't think Fazio has done enough to secure that spot yet, he's lack of speed and posistioning see him get caught out against sides with pace and movement. Dier at present has the better all-round game, he just lacks experience, but poch seems to not be influenced by that.

  47. SpurMeUp

    Dembele been shyte. Not sure Dier's awareness or positioning is always the best. Dembele and Lamela don't look confident on the ball.

    As the commentators on BT just said, Dembele massively underperforms relatively to his abilities. Personally he's not someone who I would want at the club longer term as he just goes missing and doesnt influence games

  48. They are pressing us hard, the only problem with that is if you have not trained for it and do not have the fitness levels especially at this time of the season you risk the chance of burning out early within the second half.

  49. AdamB

    As the commentators on BT just said, Dembele massively underperforms relatively to his abilities. Personally he's not someone who I would want at the club longer term as he just goes missing and doesnt influence games

    I have tried defending the guy but he is not good enough, one good game in 10 does not cut it.

  50. AdamB

    As the commentators on BT just said, Dembele massively underperforms relatively to his abilities. Personally he's not someone who I would want at the club longer term as he just goes missing and doesnt influence games

    It has something to do with having confidence in his ability. He needs to feel completely on his game. He's naturally hesitant, when he needs to feel like he's fully in control and confident. Lamela sometimes the same.

  51. japenesegardenlover

    I have tried defending the guy but he is not good enough, one good game in 10 does not cut it.

    I'm not sure its even that many and for an experienced player thats not good enough. He's no longer a kid, he should be winning and dictating games yet its rare you watch a game and think Dembele has been instrumental in us getting a result

  52. SpurMeUp

    It has something to do with having confidence in his ability. He needs to feel completely on his game. He's naturally hesitant, when he needs to feel like he's fully in control and confident. Lamela sometimes the same.

    If thats the case then he's not much use to us! If he 'needs to feel completely on his game' then he's not exactly someone we can rely on

  53. 90291Spur

    How may Prem games is it going to take Lamela to understand you don't have time to dwell on the ball?

    Was thnking the same. Next season he'll have Pritchard pressuring him for his position and you'd also expect us to sign another option for those 3 roles behind the CF as well

  54. AdamB

    If thats the case then he's not much use to us! If he 'needs to feel completely on his game' then he's not exactly someone we can rely on

    Well he's here until the summer at least. Can Poch and the coaching team get into Lamela and Dembele's head? Get them confident on the ball and playing like they belong?

    We've seen it with the academy players but some of the more established one's look much more fragile. Perfect example with Dembele in the box – a confident player takes a touch and fires on goal. He's not confident and tries the flick. Same with Lamela flicking the ball as he's a tad scared of controlling it in tight situations. The crowd groan etc.

  55. nayenezgani

    This is the first 'poor' game Dembele has had in the last six or seven he's started. Give over lads.

    He's not alone out there either.

    He's not along, agreed. Lamela and Townsend also poor. He's a senior pro though. Dont accept that this is his first poor game in 6 or 7

  56. Apart from our usual defensive fragility, we've been okay really. Crowd getting on the back of Dembele and Lamela. We need to be mentally strong and play our game as wham are getting tight making it tough. But the Kane and Bentaleb chances show we are okay here. Hopefully the crowd come onside and support the team.

  57. SpurMeUp

    Apart from our usual defensive fragility, we've been okay really. Crowd getting on the back of Dembele and Lamela. We need to be mentally strong and play our game as wham are getting tight making it tough. But the Kane and Bentaleb chances show we are okay here. Hopefully the crowd come onside and support the team.

    Really? I bet Poch doesnt think it has been. Its that type of thinking that separates winners and losers in my view…

  58. SpurMeUp

    Apart from our usual defensive fragility, we've been okay really. Crowd getting on the back of Dembele and Lamela. We need to be mentally strong and play our game as wham are getting tight making it tough. But the Kane and Bentaleb chances show we are okay here. Hopefully the crowd come onside and support the team.

    We've been awful going forwards.

    I'm surprised Kane can even remember what a football is – those 3 behind him couldn't work out how to pass a ball between them.

  59. Lamela is trying to get the ball forwards. Mousa's having one of his 'return-to-old-days' games. We generally seem a bit too jumpy and raw. They've turned it into a bit of a knuckle-drag, thickening the spaces and preventing football from breaking out, we just need to play a little calmer, a little more fluid. Townsend's been pony too, which doesn't help our cause.

  60. Lamela demonstrating the same faults he has displayed ever since he was signed. If he hasn't (or can't) learn by now, I don't think he ever will.
    I had got slightly encouraged by a couple of his performances recently. But I think that is just me settling for less, rather than Lamela improving.

  61. HT 0-1. We look surprisingly lethargic. The front four aren't functioning at all. We have largely been reduced to hopeful long range shots. Dembele ( who I normally like) has been the worst offender closely followed by Lamela and Townsend. Mason and Bentaleb have been outmuscled by Spammers three in midfield. It is hairdryer time for Poch. He needs a reaction this half. I would bring on Eriksen and Chadli now.

  62. Horrible display. West Ham tactics have stopped us playing. This is where Poch is a problem for me. He isn't adaptable with how we play. No coincidence that West Ham have a good record at the lane recently.

  63. As I feared, we tried to be half committed to this game – we rested a couple of our more important players (Eriksen key among them), but played the rest, and now we're staring at the worst possible result – a loss with no appreciable gain in fitness levels to show for it. Sigh. Still, plenty of time to turn this around. Townsend's the most likely to go, IMO – made a few really bad decisions, and just looked off the pace. Who we bring on, however, will be interesting.

  64. I'm starting to think there is some form of favouritism going on with Lamela

    how do you not start eriksen?

    Townsend doesnt appear to have the tactical nous of playing in that wing forward position…lamela is playing in the hole but so it dembele and because of that the good drifting movement you see with playmakers that play on the left in a wonky isnt really happening

    get eriksen on for either townsend or lamela……chadli as well

    i hear people calling for soldado , not a bad shout to be honest..we would have a wonky in the second half

  65. africanspurs

    I'm starting to think there is some form of favouritism going on with Lamela

    how do you not start eriksen?

    Townsend doesnt appear to have the tactical nous of playing in that wing forward position…lamela is playing in the hole but so it dembele and because of that the good drifting movement you see with playmakers that play on the left in a wonky isnt really happening

    get eriksen on for either townsend or lamela……chadli as well

    i hear people calling for soldado , not a bad shout to be honest..we would have a wonky in the second half

    Of course he would want to start Eriksen, but he's rotating him.

  66. Actually thought the first 15 was some of the best passing I've seen from Lamela. Not that it was so brilliant, just that he was passing. Then when we start struggling he reverts to type. It's really like watching alcoholics under stress reverting to alcohol with the ball hog players.

    If anyone deserves being taken off at half time in a match, it's Dembele now. Really didn't look like he was mentally prepared for a Premier League game. The one thing he is superb at is retaining possession.But it's a bit part skill and he should be a bit part player.

  67. DHSF

    Really? I bet Poch doesnt think it has been. Its that type of thinking that separates winners and losers in my view…

    If Kane's shot had gone in rather than hit the post and we'd not gifted them a goal would you feel the same? Poch needs to give them confidence to play our game around whams press.

    Some positives. Rose played well and wasn't far off scoring. Bentaleb likewise. Lamela Dembele and Townsend lacking today. But I'd keep them on for at least the first 10 mins – get into them at half time and see what they can do.

    They are letting wham bully them. Stand up to them, play our game.

  68. Really sloppy from the whole team, individual errors by almost every single player. Its hard to single out 1 poor performer when the group play is so loose. I suppose people will use the Europa game as an excuse but that hardly stops players doing the basics. The crowd are also like West Hams 12th man, really we have not got behind the team today.

    The positive thing is that we have decent options on the bench, West Ham seem happy to sit back and play on the break and we can't play much worse. Big test of our character 2nd half, Come on You Spurs!!!!

  69. Rio's right. Two wide midfielders coming inside just crowds out the midfield and makes it more difficult for us when we attack.
    Nostalgic memories of when we had two wide men who actually played as wide men.

  70. scaramanga

    We've been awful going forwards.

    I'm surprised Kane can even remember what a football is – those 3 behind him couldn't work out how to pass a ball between them.

    Yet Kane was a wisher away from scoring. Bentaleb and Rose not far off either…

    While we were not great, which team would you say created the better chances?

  71. Modric THFC

    Dembele, Townsend and Lamela all deserve to come off.

    Poch's non prioritisation of either game means we are gonna fudge up in both our potential champions league paths.

    Come on calm down…..were not out of this yet!

  72. Modric THFC

    Dembele, Townsend and Lamela all deserve to come off.

    Poch's non prioritisation of either game means we are gonna fudge up in both our potential champions league paths.

    I agree with this. Seems like he's half going for it in both games. UNLESS he is prioritizing the Cup Final next Sunday and NOT EL or 4th place. Whom knows?

  73. SpurMeUp

    Yet Kane was a wisher away from scoring. Bentaleb and Rose not far off either…

    While we were not great, which team would you say created the better chances?

    We've had better chances but a team of our quality should be at least 3 up against a team of theirs.

    Spam at home should be one of those goal difference restoring games.

    We can be much better than Spam but still be a long way from good enough. That's how it is today.

  74. ringo

    Lamela demonstrating the same faults he has displayed ever since he was signed. If he hasn't (or can't) learn by now, I don't think he ever will.
    I had got slightly encouraged by a couple of his performances recently. But I think that is just me settling for less, rather than Lamela improving.

    Agree completely. If it was certain other players they would be crucified for this level of peformance and mistakes, time after time, week after week, month after month. Lamela just isnt improving and isnt learning from his mistakes. Blame him for doing it and blame Poch for continuing to put up with it.

    Obviously if he keeps getting picked and keeps playing game after game then every now and again he will produce something decent, which leads to his fans saying "thats what he can do, thats the ability he has" etc etc. but the truth is if you take his return this season as a whole its been a huge failure. I find it hard to have sympathy with a player who doesnt learn from his mistakes and who clearly thinks he is better then he is.

  75. The problem as evident against pool is that when teams press us we are very likely to make mistakes and give away possession in dangerous areas.

    Im sorry but the fault for the first goal is largely at the door of the moose.

  76. scaramanga

    I like Dier but he lost his man for the goal. Fazio would have beasted it away to the half way line.

    Think alot of people underestimate Fazios contribution. He's key to us.

  77. Modric THFC

    I've noticed Dier keeps on hoofing it long as well.

    That's only when he has seen there are no options for s short pass. This lad was schooled in Portugal not Preston (no disrepect to Preston specifically, it's just that it also starts with a 'P').

  78. scaramanga

    We've had better chances but a team of our quality should be at least 3 up against a team of theirs.

    Spam at home should be one of those goal difference restoring games.

    We can be much better than Spam but still be a long way from good enough. That's how it is today.

    wham are closing down working their socks off keeping tight and getting physical. We knew this would be the case. Why did we look so unprepared for it?

    Re. Dier. He has more physical strength than Fazio. Doesn't get caught fouling. So you can see why Poch favours him here, but he needs to improve his awareness and positioning.

  79. SpurMeUp

    wham are closing down working their socks off keeping tight and getting physical. We knew this would be the case. Why did we look so unprepared for it?

    Re. Dier. He has more physical strength than Fazio. Doesn't get caught fouling. So you can see why Poch favours him here, but he needs to improve his awareness and positioning.

    Completely disagree with your views on Fazio.

  80. SpurMeUp

    To clarify Fazio's positioning is much better but he doesn't have the strength, power and pace that Dier does.

    Dier has one thing on Fazio and that's pace. He also has this on cannavaro and Maldini but I wouldn't start him over them.

    Fazio is roads ahead of Dier. He should be starting every single league game.

  81. scaramanga

    Because one of the risks of rotation is that it gives the impression to some players that the match is less important than others.

    Only Eriksen was rested from our first team. That really is no excuse.

  82. Mumorn

    Dier has one thing on Fazio and that's pace. He also has this on cannavaro and Maldini but I wouldn't start him over them.

    Fazio is roads ahead of Dier. He should be starting every single league game.

    ..and I agree that Fazio may well have done better than Dier for whams goal intercepting their cross rather than being in no mans land.

    We have to not let wham turn the game into a scrap. Keep our passing sharp. wham crying injury at to breka the the game up.

  83. Mumorn

    Dier has one thing on Fazio and that's pace. He also has this on cannavaro and Maldini but I wouldn't start him over them.

    Fazio is roads ahead of Dier. He should be starting every single league game.

    I prefer Dier over Fazio. Quicker, better on the ball…and whilst he's shorter than Fazio, he's still good in the air

  84. Pirate55

    Only Eriksen was rested from our first team. That really is no excuse.

    That's not the point.

    The rotation gives the message to those that are playing that this match is less important than the final so subconsciously they will be putting in less than 100%

  85. thfcsteff

    is it just me or does anyone else feel this is turning into a dirty game because of the antics of the pikeys?

    The ref needs to protect the talent and needs to start taking control of the time wasting.

  86. AdamB

    I prefer Dier over Fazio. Quicker, better on the ball…and whilst he's shorter than Fazio, he's still good in the air

    True but Dier is not yet a better defender. Primarily because of his awareness and positioning can be off.

    Can see why Dembele went off. But we need some more strength and power in the middle and Townsend or Lamela might have been a better switch.

  87. Pirate55

    0-2. Regretfully that is a fair reflection of the game.

    It's been scrappy on our part for sure…not sure if it's a lack of concentration or youthfulness or pressure, but we haven't played well…

  88. Our defending is so suspect at times it's unreal. Walker has been poor all game, making some terrible decisions. Dier has been beaten in the air a lot, but Vertonghen beside him has looked shaky too. Rose had a great first half mind.

    Our defensive shape is in desperate need of work and I think a lot can be said for our midfield. We are getting outnumbered in there at times today, Kane has looked isolated at the top end, so the question has to be asked, what is the job of that #10 player.

  89. Valencia offside for their second. Ref not up for the game either certain yellow. Poor.

    But the biggest question is: you know how wham play. Hustle, crosses into the box, scraping and staying tight. Why are we looking so unprepared for that?

    Lots of games means a lack of preparation as well as players tiredness?

  90. Yiddo

    Back down to earth with a bang. Queue the Poch out brigade and how we have not progressed etc etc.

    It shows how thin the squad is. When we rely on Dembele, Townsend and Lamela for our depth.

  91. Soldado was just flagged offside for jumping for a ball he didn't connect with. Exactly the same situation as the second West Ham goal. I'm not saying we shouldn't be losing here. I'm just saying the match officials are having just as woeful a day as the Spurs team.

  92. 90291Spur

    It shows how thin the squad is. When we rely on Dembele, Townsend and Lamela for our depth.

    Hardly a thin squad is it? Its about having different plans rather than just the press and pace we try to adopt. We have more than enough players capable of playing in the prem.

  93. DublinSpur

    Soldado was just flagged offside for jumping for a ball he didn't connect with. Exactly the same situation as the second West Ham goal. I'm not saying we shouldn't be losing here. I'm just saying the match officials are having just as woeful a day as the Spurs team.

    I actually thought that the player by attempting but missing to head the ball, was in fact interfering with play

  94. Yiddo

    Got bullied today and I could easily stick out an under 10's team with the simple tactics to beat us.

    Sadly we're wham's ideal team. Weak, easily bullied with a shaky defence that can be got into.

    Had we kept a clean sheet first half, I think we'd have pushed on but instead we've fallen apart.

  95. I don't know why Verts needs to get involved all the time. His pushing over of Noble will no doubt be mentioned comparing to the push by Matic that got a red card. At least the ref saw it so no futher action can be taken.

  96. thfcsteff

    It's been scrappy on our part for sure…not sure if it's a lack of concentration or youthfulness or pressure, but we haven't played well…

    I think the players were beginning to believe all the hoopla about them. They seem to have forgotten that the success has only come about from a high intensity high pressing game. We just haven't done that today and as a result our game has fallen apart when we ourselves were pressed.

  97. Pirate55

    I think the players were beginning to believe all the hoopla about them. They seem to have forgotten that the success has only come about from a high intensity high pressing game. We just haven't done that today and as a result our game has fallen apart when we ourselves were pressed.

    Spammers have stuffed and overloaded the midfield making it very very tough for us to do anything with what we have won because we lacked the architects in that first-half. Not sure about believing hoopla TBH, I think we just started with the wrong selection versus the 5 man midfield BFS shoved in there to bung up the holes.

  98. You look to Verts or Dembele as more senior player in games like this. But neither are leaders. We needed a bit more experience – from Poch in preparing the team, from the players who let wham into a game they should dominate, and the officials who've helped wham by ducking decisions.

  99. indianspur

    Lamela is actually ok when he plays one or two touch football

    Lamela easily the worst £15m player in the league never mind £30m. Get rid

    SpurMeUp

    You look to Verts or Dembele as more senior player in games like this. But neither are leaders. We needed a bit more experience – from Poch in preparing the team, from the players who let wham into a game they could dominate, and the officials who've helped wham by ducking decisions.

    Playing useless 1 (townsend) and useless 2 (Lamela) down to manager. He should accept blame

  100. thfcsteff

    Spammers have stuffed and overloaded the midfield making it very very tough for us to do anything with what we have won because we lacked the architects in that first-half. Not sure about believing hoopla TBH, I think we just started with the wrong selection versus the 5 man midfield BFS shoved in there to bung up the holes.

    But that was entirely predictable tactics by them. We had no answer to it.

  101. thfcsteff

    Spammers have stuffed and overloaded the midfield making it very very tough for us to do anything with what we have won because we lacked the architects in that first-half. Not sure about believing hoopla TBH, I think we just started with the wrong selection versus the 5 man midfield BFS shoved in there to bung up the holes.

    The key was to stay patient. Not get sucked into their game. If we'd done that and not gifted the first goal, we'd have pushed on and dominated the game from 75 mins as they tired. We've created chances. Not defended well or been strong enough as a team.

  102. thfcsteff

    Spammers have stuffed and overloaded the midfield making it very very tough for us to do anything with what we have won because we lacked the architects in that first-half. Not sure about believing hoopla TBH, I think we just started with the wrong selection versus the 5 man midfield BFS shoved in there to bung up the holes.

    It has been a typical fat sam team

  103. Hoddledro

    Lamela easily the worst £15m player in the league never mind £30m. Get rid

    Playing useless 1 (townsend) and useless 2 (Lamela) down to manager. He should accept blame

    Townsend though I agree not good enough offers a sort of a threat to warrant being a back up but not a first team starter. I do not know if Lamela will come good but my guts says no now.

  104. Pirate55

    But that was entirely predictable tactics by them. We had no answer to it.

    It's called not quite having the squad he wants mate…but it's fine…this is a marathon not a sprint, and I think the direction is right…

  105. thfcsteff

    It's called not quite having the squad he wants mate…but it's fine…this is a marathon not a sprint, and I think the direction is right…

    Wouldn't be a problem if we'd played the kids in the ITV4 Cup like you're supposed to.

  106. thfcsteff

    It's called not quite having the squad he wants mate…but it's fine…this is a marathon not a sprint, and I think the direction is right…

    I don't disagree but that was why it was critical to bring in one or two in January . Hate to say it but that too was predictable.

  107. Great fight given the fact most of the side were on major 'off' days…poor defending has probably given them a point, but TBH, second goal of theirs was offside. Anyone debating the pen can fucque off, clear as day. FUQUE OFF FAT SAM!!!!

  108. nayenezgani

    Haha wow. Fair result, the first goal changed everything. Loved our relentless attacking over the final fifteen minutes, a deserved result. Probably deserved more. Proud of the lads resolve.

    What?

  109. Got out of jail there, but full credit for the boys not giving up. Townsend… that is enough, he should be no-where near the first team after that. Dembele, showed why he should never be a starter, he is just too in-consistent. He is unable to string decent games together. Soldado unlucky and Poch made the subs too late. Earlier and we would have won. West Ham are nothing but a bunch of talentless cloggers, serves them right for time wasting.

  110. Phew. Pulled that one out of the fire. Positives : great morale boost to gain a point the way we did, with Kane leveling. The number of late goals we've had and points we've earned must give the lads some serious belief going into games – 'no worries if we concede, we'll just win it late anyway'. That can be a good thing, if utilized properly.

    Negatives – For the third time this season (all in the past month), our fatigue was evident. We're getting tired, and it is a huge concern heading into the next two vital games.

    Dier – he hasn't put a foot wrong, and has been very good since he came back in – but somehow, the defence just looks shakier with him in it as opposed to Fazio. I'll put it down to his lack of experience forcing Verts to organize things at the back, which clearly isn't his favorite thing to do.

    Overall, decent point, well earned – but at what cost?

  111. Game was drawn through a combination of factors. Dembele losing the ball in defence. But worse our defence is so susceptible to a wham like battering ram.

    The crowd an team impatience left us too desperate and open. The team didn't seem able to stick to a game plan wham good at shutting our pass down. Had we kept it tight and not conceded in the first hour we'd have won. Still we will learn from it hopefully.

    We showed in spells how we could be all over them. A frustrating draw but from 2 down at least we showed fight to get a point.

    How does Poch strengthens our defence while keeping our attacking verve?

  112. Could be a huge point toward the end of the season, but seriously papering over the cracks of a poor performance. We really didn't turn up today and could have been 3 down easily at one stage. I am sure Poch won't let this type of display go despite the fight back. Obviously with young players you'll get ups and downs but 7-8 poor performances at the same time is poor.

  113. No manager comes to a new club and gets a squad he is completely 100% happy with unless he stays there an eternity. Surely the job of the manager is to improve the players he DOES have at that given time, and play to THAT squads strengths to get the best out of them.

  114. Gilzeantoscore

    Got out of jail there, but full credit for the boys not giving up. Townsend… that is enough, he should be no-where near the first team after that. Dembele, showed why he should never be a starter, he is just too in-consistent. He is unable to string decent games together. Soldado unlucky and Poch made the subs too late. Earlier and we would have won. West Ham are nothing but a bunch of talentless cloggers, serves them right for time wasting.

    Is that really fair though? he might have neem better had erisken been there doing the part of recycler in the final third

    I mean Lamela didnt play well either, and townsend almost literally just stood out there…. but i have to say that i kind of give everyone a pass cause the oracle qualities of eriksen wasnt there.

    if i had to chose a guy to drop at half time it would have been one of townsend or lamela

  115. DubaiSpur

    Phew. Pulled that one out of the fire. Positives : great morale boost to gain a point the way we did, with Kane leveling. The number of late goals we've had and points we've earned must give the lads some serious belief going into games – 'no worries if we concede, we'll just win it late anyway'. That can be a good thing, if utilized properly.

    Negatives – For the third time this season (all in the past month), our fatigue was evident. We're getting tired, and it is a huge concern heading into the next two vital games.

    Dier – he hasn't put a foot wrong, and has been very good since he came back in – but somehow, the defence just looks shakier with him in it as opposed to Fazio. I'll put it down to his lack of experience forcing Verts to organize things at the back, which clearly isn't his favorite thing to do.

    Overall, decent point, well earned – but at what cost?

    I didn't see physical fatigue more than a drop off in focus perhaps. Early doors, when we could've killed the game off, too many players didn't show up…the likes of Townsend and Dembele for sure slowed us down and simply didn't do enough on the ball…I have seen criticism of Lamela, and I somewhat understand it, but critically, his use of the ball and probe for incisive forward passes was still pretty high in my impression (would like to see the stats)…

    BTW how unlucky was Bobby? That was a great shot matched by a great save,Adrian's second of the match given his stunner from Bentaleb's cannon first-half.

  116. Gilzeantoscore

    Also serves the early leavers right. Call themselves Spurs fans. How do they expect the players to keep trying when they have given up. Disgrace!

    Don't blame them. I hid in bathroom with volume on tv up loud in case I put remote through tv

  117. There was no fatigue, we finished strong and looked fresh. We just need to play our best players. The alternatives ruin our verve…..business end of the season, play our best players every game, they will cope

  118. africanspurs

    Is that really fair though? he might have neem better had erisken been there doing the part of recycler in the final third

    I mean Lamela didnt play well either, and townsend almost literally just stood out there…. but i have to say that i kind of give everyone a pass cause the oracle qualities of eriksen wasnt there.

    if i had to chose a guy to drop at half time it would have been one of townsend or lamela

    He had chances to pass off and did what he always does, hung onto the ball too long and took it into a dangerous area. Has nothing to do with Eriksen and everything to do with Dembele not learning. Opposition players have worked him out.

  119. thfcsteff

    I didn't see physical fatigue more than a drop off in focus perhaps. Early doors, when we could've killed the game off, too many players didn't show up…the likes of Townsend and Dembele for sure slowed us down and simply didn't do enough on the ball…

    Yes, the team lacked focus, but we also lost more 50-50s and stood off more than we usually do, and with Walker evidently injured or otherwise out of sorts, it created a general air of lethargy. I can't imagine that's what Poch wants the lads to play like, and the only explanation for it is that we're fatigued and feeling it. We're already at something like our fiftieth game of the season, aren't we?

  120. indianspur

    Lamela is actually ok when he plays one or two touch football

    He's more than okay . is . Just a shame today, that everyone else in our team was poor at moving the ball quickly. Some real sloppy play . Spams were in our faces and and most of our players seemed to think they could take plenty of touches.

  121. Unfortunately we are going to get hit and miss performances with our young squad!!!

    I would say it is essential that we work on being pressed by the opposition because we play out from the back. To many times we recycle possession in dangerous areas….we also need more from the three behind our striker.

    Hopefully people will not sugar coat this….we were bad today but we managed to get something.

    Still credit where it is due….I think hippo head messed up with his subs….he set them up really well and before the subs I couldnt see a way back. Obviously this does not help us at all and is very damaging for any aspirations for top 4. Very worried about the next two games….against Arsenal we were magnificent and we have not come close to replicating that performance bar the first few mins of that game.

    Moose and Townsend were horrible today…I thought Lamela popped up in dangerous areas and was trying to make things happen…I think he is an easy target for criticism due to the price tag.

    onwards and upwards I hope! really worried though!

  122. Overall a very, very positive last 30 mins. This young squad shows again the future it is being designed for, and I have to say, impressive fight and spirit from the boys.

    I will admit, I had sworn to ask one of the mods to ban me from doing BFS match threads in the future, but fortune favors the brave and we live to fight further…I still might retire from them.

    Which reminds me, we need a proven, secure winner to do next weekends…

  123. Hotshot-Tottenham

    Even with their offside goal and Noble's non-red?

    Plus we hit the post.

    Mumorn

    We scored two goals. They scored two. Deserved draw.

    The fact of the matter if the keeper Adrian hadn't punched the ball out to Rose and Song tripping Kane in the box, we wouldn't have drawn.

  124. A Fergie team would have ground that game out for a win. Same players, stay focused, keep patient and score 3 in the final quarter of the match.

    But some players are lacking. Poch has to get them playing or replace them.

    Hopefully that equaliser will inspire us to kick on.

  125. Gilzeantoscore

    Also serves the early leavers right. Call themselves Spurs fans. How do they expect the players to keep trying when they have given up. Disgrace!

    Yeah, wtf is leaving 3-4 minutes before the end of a game at 1-2 down all about ?

  126. I thought the communication between Townsend and Walker was way off today. Both of them kept making the same runs and getting in eachother's way. There were some good moments, but you could see that they both wanted to do the same thing. I actually thought Townsend had a decent first half. Ok that free kick right to their keeper which sparked a quick counter was bad, but he was lively enough. His second half was poor, but he still got Cresswell booked. Not an amazing performance, but not as bad as some on here are making him out to be.

  127. DubaiSpur

    Yes, the team lacked focus, but we also lost more 50-50s and stood off more than we usually do, and with Walker evidently injured or otherwise out of sorts, it created a general air of lethargy. I can't imagine that's what Poch wants the lads to play like, and the only explanation for it is that we're fatigued and feeling it. We're already at something like our fiftieth game of the season, aren't we?

    I think you're missing the BFS tactic, which were to stuff up the spaces and bite/niggle/bite wherever possible. Combine that tactic with your chief architect given a rest-day and the margins happen. With Walker, I remain worried that he has a condition which needs managing more than being 100% or injured; he should not plain Thursday whatever the potential cost. I feel good about next weekend BTW…even when Kane is virtually sat on, he still finds a moment to have a major effect because he never ever stops trying.

  128. Positives are 1 point is better than none and we still look a team pushing till the final whistle. Verts needs to keep his hands to himself or he will cost us dear one day. Roll on Thursday to a game I'm now looking forward to.

  129. The Portugeezer

    The fact of the matter if the keeper Adrian hadn't punched the ball out to Rose and Song tripping Kane in the box, we wouldn't have drawn.

    Ah come on mate. If we hadn't let matey walk in off the back post despite an offside, if we hadn't given the other matey a free free header 6 yards out, if Kane's toe-flick hadn't hit the post…football matches are full of them!

  130. Gilzeantoscore

    He had chances to pass off and did what he always does, hung onto the ball too long and took it into a dangerous area. Has nothing to do with Eriksen and everything to do with Dembele not learning. Opposition players have worked him out.

    The reason why i think it has a lot to do with eriksen is that RECENTLY when dembele has played in the hole with eriksen out left he has been quite simply VERY good and has really come into his own in the final third game. the fact that eriksen was missing and he has no one to pass and move with confidently i think might be the key reason this happened with him today

  131. africanspurs

    Good lord

    sam allardyce is a moaning bitch

    In all of his bullsh1t there is a good point – referees do need to start giving free kicks when players stay on their feet. It's not applicable to this match in any way, but it's a point.

  132. Rorschach

    Sam has our number. Bit of pressure on us and few long balls into the channel and we fall to pieces.

    I think Fiorentina were highlighting before our game how we were not a technical team which was surprising as we have decent players but watching these 2 games, playing out from defence, we are really sloppy, playing sloppy short balls putting other players under pressure needlessly.

    I think we really need to focus more on the basics, play to feet and make good angles for a player under pressure. Too often we are pressured and lose our composure far too easily and gift possession away is dangerous positions.

    I think both teams exploited the fact we push our fullbacks high to perfection as you say with simple balls down the channel which pulls our central defenders out and we are in trouble.

  133. thfcsteff

    I think you're missing the BFS tactic, which were to stuff up the spaces and bite/niggle/bite wherever possible. Combine that tactic with your chief architect given a rest-day and the margins happen. With Walker, I remain worried that he has a condition which needs managing more than being 100% or injured; he should not plain Thursday whatever the potential cost. I feel good about next weekend BTW…even when Kane is virtually sat on, he still finds a moment to have a major effect because he never ever stops trying.

    Fair enough, there are always two sides in a game, after all. I just hope we keep our feet on the gas from minute one to minute ninety next weekend. :) As for Walker, I agree: Poch, please either play Dier or Chiriches at RB in Florence or give Yedlin his debut.

  134. Gilzeantoscore

    What did he say? Surely not complaining about the penalty?

    West Ham boss Sam Allardyce: "You can't put your hands on anyone today otherwise they will go to ground and make the referee's mind up.

    "You can argue whether Alex Song has made enough contact for Harry Kane to go down, but when you're desperate like Tottenham are, you get touched and the player is going to fall over.

    "Maybe we should be more like Tottenham – we stay on our feet. They're so lucky today. One with the first goal – Danny Rose has mibrick it – and the second goal Adrian saved the penalty and it has gone straight back to Harry Kane."

  135. thfcsteff

    Oh please tell me he isn't moaning about the clear penalty?

    you need a second gig as a fortune teller , cause that's EXACTLY what he is moaning about

    clear as day penalty and he is moaning cause kane went over when HIS LEG GOT CLIPPED!!!

  136. africanspurs

    Is that really fair though? he might have neem better had erisken been there doing the part of recycler in the final third

    I mean Lamela didnt play well either, and townsend almost literally just stood out there…. but i have to say that i kind of give everyone a pass cause the oracle qualities of eriksen wasnt there.

    if i had to chose a guy to drop at half time it would have been one of townsend or lamela

    I have to agree. With the benefit of hindsight I would have hooked Townsend at half time, though you could have argued that any one of the front four could have been subbed based on their first half performance. Dembele was sacrificed but I don't think that Eriksen's introduction helped one bit. I would have kept Dembele central, Lamela right and brought Eriksen into the left slot. It's a lineup that has served us well and I would have gone back to that.

    That was great point considering how disjointed we were. Credit to West Ham, I think Fat Sam got his tactics spot on. High pressure on our guys forcing the mistakes, and long balls into the channels and over the top. We were back peddling for half the game and got sucked into hitting it long ourselves way too frequently. We weren't ready for it which is all the more surprising.

  137. africanspurs

    you need a second gig as a fortune teller , cause that's EXACTLY what he is moaning about

    clear as day penalty and he is moaning cause kane went over when HIS LEG GOT CLIPPED!!!

    You'd see a lot less of this hogwash if the managers were called out on their hypocrisy by the media more. 'But Sam, your players went down holding their faces and legs in agony and stopped play for minutes at a time, what was that about?'

    Would have shut the git up sharpish.

  138. africanspurs

    you need a second gig as a fortune teller , cause that's EXACTLY what he is moaning about

    clear as day penalty and he is moaning cause kane went over when HIS LEG GOT CLIPPED!!!

    Good Lord, just read the quotes…is this the same as 'longball' Manchester United hahahaha…I cannot stand him.

  139. Rorschach

    I have to agree. With the benefit of hindsight I would have hooked Townsend at half time, though you could have argued that any one of the front four could have been subbed based on their first half performance. Dembele was sacrificed but I don't think that Eriksen's introduction helped one bit. I would have kept Dembele central, Lamela right and brought Eriksen into the left slot. It's a lineup that has served us well and I would have gone back to that.

    That was great point considering how disjointed we were. Credit to West Ham, I think Fat Sam got his tactics spot on. High pressure on our guys forcing the mistakes, and long balls into the channels and over the top. We were back peddling for half the game and got sucked into hitting it long ourselves way too frequently. We weren't ready for it which is all the more surprising.

    Agree with everything here

    Have a like as well my good sir

  140. The Portugeezer

    The fact of the matter if the keeper Adrian hadn't punched the ball out to Rose and Song tripping Kane in the box, we wouldn't have drawn.

    And if we defended better, we'd have won.

  141. thfcsteff

    Good Lord, just read the quotes…is this the same as 'longball' Manchester United hahahaha…I cannot stand him.

    mate, couldnt make it up

    "we west ham stay on out feet!!!"

    tomkins anyone? even today tomkins was grabbing his head with that soldado challenge that never actually happened

  142. Eriksen could not win a trick today. looked well of the pace and he seemed incapable of making pretty basic passes. Probably tired. The whole team looked knackered to me. The failure to win second balls is always a sign and Spam were all over us in that respect until the last few minutes when we got a sniff.

  143. Denmark Spur

    West Ham boss Sam Allardyce: "You can't put your hands on anyone today otherwise they will go to ground and make the referee's mind up.

    "You can argue whether Alex Song has made enough contact for Harry Kane to go down, but when you're desperate like Tottenham are, you get touched and the player is going to fall over.

    "Maybe we should be more like Tottenham – we stay on our feet. They're so lucky today. One with the first goal – Danny Rose has mibrick it – and the second goal Adrian saved the penalty and it has gone straight back to Harry Kane."

    I'd like to volunteer for a job here. Let's arrange for Fat Sam to pay Harry Kane, and I'll be Alex Songl I will then demonstrate to Fat Sam the contact which cause Harry Kane to go down, we can both disappear for 45 minutes and have a cup of tea, after which I will bellow into a mike that Fat Sam goes down easily under the slightest contact. Can we crowd-fund this idea? Please?

  144. SpurMeUp

    A Fergie team would have ground that game out for a win. Same players, stay focused, keep patient and score 3 in the final quarter of the match.

    But some players are lacking. Poch has to get them playing or replace them.

    Hopefully that equaliser will inspire us to kick on.

    Come on, we did very well coming back from two down. Even fergie would have been ok with that. If he was the manager we would have had some extra fergie time to score the winner

    SpurMeUp

    A Fergie team would have ground that game out for a win. Same players, stay focused, keep patient and score 3 in the final quarter of the match.

    But some players are lacking. Poch has to get them playing or replace them.

    Hopefully that equaliser will inspire us to kick on.

    SpurMeUp

    A Fergie team would have ground that game out for a win. Same players, stay focused, keep patient and score 3 in the final quarter of the match.

    But some players are lacking. Poch has to get them playing or replace them.

    Hopefully that equaliser will inspire us to kick on.

    SpurMeUp

    A Fergie team would have ground that game out for a win. Same players, stay focused, keep patient and score 3 in the final quarter of the match.

    But some players are lacking. Poch has to get them playing or replace them.

    Hopefully that equaliser will inspire us to kick on.

    if fergie was the manager we would have had fergie time to score the winner
    Come on, we did well to get the draw ….5 extra mins and we would have won imo

  145. africanspurs

    mate, couldnt make it up

    "we west ham stay on out feet!!!"

    tomkins anyone? even today tomkins was grabbing his head with that soldado challenge that never actually happened

    Unbelievable that was! Pure Python! Like when they used to do the Upper Class Twit of The Year races and they'd just fall over holding their heads.

  146. I agree with what someone else on here said, we do cave in to pressure on the back four and Lloris does kick long more often than we should. Now whether or not that is down to a lack of confidence in the play or not I don't know, but when given the opportunity, we do create well from the back.

  147. Joesh

    I think Fiorentina were highlighting before our game how we were not a technical team which was surprising as we have decent players but watching these 2 games, playing out from defence, we are really sloppy, playing sloppy short balls putting other players under pressure needlessly.

    Why are you surprised? We may have "decent" players but they are unable to play the ball quickly and accurately. That's why we suffer consistently against team that defend deep.

    Joesh

    I think both teams exploited the fact we push our fullbacks high to perfection as you say with simple balls down the channel which pulls our central defenders out and we are in trouble.

    And the fault for that is… our central midfield duo. They are too inexperienced and more importantly too gung-ho! It's fine pressing with your full backs but then one of the two CMs needs to retreat to cover the space between the CB's. Neither Bentaleb nor Mason seem able to understand that basic principle.

  148. At least we didn't lose. Poor performance, we don't click very well at the moment.

    Big week coming up. We need to raise our game considerably if we want to progress in Europe and/or win the league cup.

    Fat Sam's comments are obviously just sour grapes from a manager whose team just lost two points six minutes into added time. Trying to divert attention from the fact they messed up.

  149. Yea we were hoofing it a lot today. Dier looked a little uncomfortable being pressed. Mason a little erratic with his passing but really does try to lift the tempo.

    Coming back like that will do absolute wonders for the crowd too. Too often we give up and just say we've blown it when we go down to teams like this.

    This team has got some guts. But we made some horrible mistakes today too

  150. Cochise

    I agree with what someone else on here said, we do cave in to pressure on the back four and Lloris does kick long more often than we should. Now whether or not that is down to a lack of confidence in the play or not I don't know, but when given the opportunity, we do create well from the back.

    I think whenever we are met with a 5 man midfield, it is imperative that we push on and create width to start pulling that 5 around. If one player isn't on it, then we struggle. Today we had two first-half who couldn't catch the game…we will learn to deal with it, and we will get players who can come in and help support the squad strength in the summer IMO…

    EDIT: saw a comment on our CMs. I thought both were very strong today, Bentaleb in particular had a fine game. But our whole system relies on quick, smart use of the ball, and I really think we lacked that in key areas during the first-half, width wasn't consistent and thus we were forced to play through the inside thickets which a 5 man midfield plus four defenders can clog and bog just as BFS managed.

  151. SpurMeUp

    A Fergie team would have ground that game out for a win. Same players, stay focused, keep patient and score 3 in the final quarter of the match.

    But some players are lacking. Poch has to get them playing or replace them.

    Hopefully that equaliser will inspire us to kick on.

    if fergie was the manager we would have had fergie time to score the winner
    Come on, we did well to get the draw ….5 extra mins and we would have won imo

  152. Can I just say as well, what a fine thread of participation today IMO? Best thread during a match of the season I think, great discussion/exchanges and virtually no dramatic quibbling…perhaps it's because we can all see what Poch is trying to build and also appreciate what this team do in terms of fight. Onwards we go eh? COYS!!!!!

  153. diego_maradona

    Yea we were hoofing it a lot today. Dier looked a little uncomfortable being pressed. Mason a little erratic with his passing but really does try to lift the tempo.

    Coming back like that will do absolute wonders for the crowd too. Too often we give up and just say we've blown it when we go down to teams like this.

    This team has got some guts. But we made some horrible mistakes today too

    I think we were forced into it by some great pressure from the West Ham front players. They were excellent.

    I think the midfield two showed a little inexperience today. Both needed to drop deep to give options to the back line. One dropping deep (occasionally) just wasn't enough. Also I think both were guilty of taking some very speculative shots from distance when passing was the right option. They will ultimately benefit from today's experience.

  154. Maybe we need 6 players who form a real unit in defence. Walker and Rose need to step up a little. Become solid. To be fair I think both are doing that and they have to get forward as well. We need two dominant CBs. I think that is Verts and Fazio at the moment. The problem is a lack of pace. So Poch has gone for Dier and Verts. Then we need a keeper who's on point – and Lloris is – plus an effective screening midfield player. Not sure Bentaleb or Mason are there yet but both are able.

    It's getting the balance right between defence and attack. We don't want an AVB setup, but maybe we need a little more focus on a defensive shape and unit.

    If we had a strong settled unit of 6 defensive players communicating, staying strong and compact, we'd have a better foundation to play from. At times the rest of the team need to be intelligent and support as well. Too often we're exposed at the back. Granted today there was a mistake that led to a goal, but wham were throwing balls into our box and could have scored a number of other times.

  155. credit to fat sam for his tactics.

    he got it right targetting and pressing dier, knowing that rose and verts doesn't really support him that well, and so isolating him was going to put pressure on our defence.

    in defending sitting deep camping outside the penalty box worked well to nullify kane and the shots from outside the box.

    and their players are as fit as ours, but tougher and more willing to leave a shoulder or leg in for a moment longer than needed. while we were too easily rattled out of our passing game.

  156. diego_maradona

    Yea we were hoofing it a lot today. Dier looked a little uncomfortable being pressed. Mason a little erratic with his passing but really does try to lift the tempo.

    Coming back like that will do absolute wonders for the crowd too. Too often we give up and just say we've blown it when we go down to teams like this.

    This team has got some guts. But we made some horrible mistakes today too

    Its strange as at times we over played but Dier gave a lot of cheap throws and corners away and that allowed West Ham to slow the game as they took their time taking these. Sometimes he seems to get bullied a bit almost like Dawson in his younger days.

  157. It is very worrying when Rose plays…

    I think he is decent but long balls into his channel over his head….crosses to the back post with him challenging an attacker for the header….very worrying.

    I think I would prefer to see more of Davies.

  158. I haven't seen the game yet but we were pretty poor today according to the BBC. It's something I half expected with the cup final on the horizon and given we were 2 down, I suppose it's to be regarded as a positive result in the context.

    I've also just heard Allardyce's interview. Even on the radio, he's not pretty.

  159. Even ex-West Ham Rio Ferdinand conceded 100% it was a penalty. and he was 100% right too.

    The replay very clearly shows Song wrapping his arm around Kane's midriff and giving him a yank at the same moment as he grabs the Tottenham striker by the shoulder with his other arm. Not sure how Kane was supposed to have stayed on his feet after that.

  160. metalgear

    credit to fat sam for his tactics.

    he got it right targetting and pressing dier, knowing that rose and verts doesn't really support him that well, and so isolating him was going to put pressure on our defence.

    in defending sitting deep camping outside the penalty box worked well to nullify kane and the shots from outside the box.

    and their players are as fit as ours, but tougher and more willing to leave a shoulder or leg in for a moment longer than needed. while we were too easily rattled out of our passing game.

    I was thinking the same with Dier in terms of him being targeted and it worked well for them. I don't think we were going to win the fight in midfield today as they have much stronger players there. If we were going to win, it would have been with quick pacy football and with strong performances from Rose and Walker down the wings. We didn't get that.

  161. Great little comeback, but of course disappointing not to get the win.

    First goal is always so important against Fat Sam teams. Time wasting, cynicism, defensive organization and work rate as place as always and we struggled to break them down. We were making too many individual mistakes again, and in the first part of the second half we were rather poor. Said at the time that we needed a goal to change the momentum, we got it and dominated to the end.

    Not a terrible result in the end. But wanted to see more from us. Again we struggle to break down teams that come to WHL to defend and work hard, so hardly news.

  162. Spammers managed to snatch draw from the jaws of victory there. I was very pleased to see Big Sam sub Noble off for Cole.. I understand why he took Noble off, but for Cole? Very poor decision. Still you have to take every gift the opposition gives you. Until then we looked vulnerable at the back, and not that effective going forward. Eriksen looks a better player deeper in midfield than he does wide left. Pitch was a bit bobbly too today, which doesn't help us.

  163. Great to come back, a shame we were so sloppy at times. Walker and Dembele did my f88king head in, continually messing up simple things that should be no problem for them. Glad Harry got his goal, keeps him rolling.

    Hopefully, the comeback gives us some momentum going into Thursday — I think we should pick a strong team, I've changed my mind on what I thought previously. Pick a strong team, get a win and bounce into the final against those qunts Chelsea.

  164. Just saw Pochs interview. He said he thought we deserved to win. That is very worrying for me. If he can't see that we were sh1te then we really have very major problems.

    We got out of jail today and got something we certainly didn't deserve. He needs to find a way to break down teams that use these tactics. He has failed to do this all season and the use of inverted wingers further crowding the congested middle isn't it. We desperately need a Plan B.

  165. Pirate55

    Just saw Pochs interview. He said he thought we deserved to win. That is very worrying for me. If he can't see that we were sh1te then we really have very major problems.

    We got out of jail today and got something we certainly didn't deserve. He needs to find a way to break down teams that use these tactics. He has failed to do this all season and the use of inverted wingers further crowding the congested middle isn't it. We desperately need a Plan B.

    You think we deserved to lose???

  166. scaramanga

    Eriksen for Lamela, Soldado for Dembele and Doris the tea lady for Townsend.

    I don't know about you Scara but I thought Doris did well in the second half today, certainly an upgrade on Townsend.

  167. You deserve what you get in this game, we were poor for the majority of this game. Not doing the basics, giving them the ball which lead to both goals, losing to a very average team at home, simply not good enough!

    Turning that on it's head however, wet spam started wasting time as soon as they scored in the 1st half! Feigning injury, niggly fouls to disrupt our rhythm etc etc. At 2-0 their fans, and unfortunately for them, their players thought they had won it! Up pops Rose with a fortunate bounced goal and they couldn't hold on. They panicked and In the end their time wasting worked against them and they were unable to cope with Kane who was bundled over clumsily by Song!

    You can have a go at the team if you want but in 10 minutes or so they rescued a point and deserve some credit for that. We were not fortunate, we created fortune like so many teams who have gone on to win titles. The mentslity is starting to change imo

  168. Just got back after a b1tch of a drive back up the motorways, but sometimes you just dont care..

    It's happened again
    It's happened again
    A late goal v West Ham
    It's happened again

    How do like that you pikey tw@ts?

    Okay, we didnt win a game we needed to, but we showed some b@lls to come from 2 goals down and it feels almost like a win. GTFI

  169. Disappointed to have dropped 4 points in our last 2 games. With that, I think that we've thrown away any chance of top 4 this season.

    Now, at the start of the season, I wasn't really expecting top 4 but, after our performance v Arsenal & where that put us in the league, I thought that we had a chance. Now though, nope.

    Arsenal & Liverpool have form, especially Liverpool. I just can't see us getting 5 more points than both of those sides in the remaining fixtures this season.

  170. Jordinho

    Except we had the most possession and created the most chances.

    Possession schmosession. It means nada unless you use the ball effectively.

    Chances meaning long shots from way outside the penalty area for me is a low conversion likelihood.

    Lloris made two brilliant saves at 0-2. Apart from Bentelabs rocket and Kane's dribble against the post, we didn't test Adianne until the last ten minutes when we were brought back into the game by Roses' freak goal and then equalised from a needlessly given away soft penalty.

    For me, it was a totally unconvincing performance.

  171. Pirate55

    Possession schmosession. It means nada unless you use the ball effectively.

    Chances meaning long shots from way outside the penalty area for me is a low conversion likelihood.

    Lloris made two brilliant saves at 0-2. Apart from Bentelabs rocket and Kane's dribble against the post, we didn't test Adianne until the last ten minutes when we were brought back into the game by Roses' freak goal and then equalised from a needlessly given away soft penalty.

    For me, it was a totally unconvincing performance.

    We didnt play well today. West Ham should have killed us off and they would have won at a canter if hippo head had not brain farted his subs.

    They seemed to cut us open easily, we couldnt create a clear opening.

  172. markysimmo

    27 attempts on goal, 7 corners and 65% of possession but we were massively lucky, ok BFS

    [​IMG]

    unfortunately, you are asking BFS to change the habits of a lifetime. sorry. won't happen. bell.end.massivo.sammus.

  173. Pirate55

    Just saw Pochs interview. He said he thought we deserved to win. That is very worrying for me. If he can't see that we were sh1te then we really have very major problems.

    We got out of jail today and got something we certainly didn't deserve. He needs to find a way to break down teams that use these tactics. He has failed to do this all season and the use of inverted wingers further crowding the congested middle isn't it. We desperately need a Plan B.

    We did deserve to win. That doesn't mean we played particularly well.
    EDIT – in reply to a later post of yours, Soldado had an excellent shot which Adrian did exceptionally well to save, Rose got in behind and drifted his header just over, their second goal should've been offside (IMO) no we did enough to win today and Adrian had to have some form to keep us out early-doors. We did not play particularly well and a lot of players seemed to be missing a dimension with regards to focus, but despite that I still think a win would not have been absolutely undeserved. I agree we got slices of luck in the goals we DID get, but we earned them for ploughing on and in through minute 95. Let's face it, West 'Am did not come to play football, they came to steal. Our new mentality got us through today. It is why anybody writing off the top 4 today, February 22nd, is playing a fool's game, because this lot don't know when they're 'beaten' which is a great spirit to develop.

  174. That was easy for WHU today, they should have won and won well, I wonder if we could do with a couple of older heads in the side, when you think we had Corluka and Lennon on the right and now we have Walker and Townsend for me that is not progress, we are a young team and we need to be patient but the way we give the ball away is alarming, we can blame the defence but because of our brick passing they have not got a chance.

  175. Jimmy-g

    That was easy for WHU today, they should have won and won well, I wonder if we could do with a couple of older heads in the side, when you think we had Corluka and Lennon on the right and now we have Walker and Townsend for me that is not progress, we are a young team and we need to be patient but the way we give the ball away is alarming, we can blame the defence but because of our crud passing they have not got a chance.

    I am seriously going to chalk it up as a one-off bad day at the passing/possession office. Mason had a bad one, even Eriksen was off when he came on. Something wasn't right but I think it was a bad day not a worrying sign. My view anyway.

  176. thfcsteff

    I am seriously going to chalk it up as a one-off bad day at the passing/possession office. Mason had a bad one, even Eriksen was off when he came on. Something wasn't right but I think it was a bad day not a worrying sign. My view anyway.

    The way we give the ball away cheaply and quickly our defence can never get "set", its our throw in and a number of times Walker just throws it into a 50/50 we lose the ball and it comes straight back on us, we still massively lack a "leader", I thought Bentaleb and Rose today were very good.

  177. Pirate55

    Possession schmosession. It means nada unless you use the ball effectively.

    Chances meaning long shots from way outside the penalty area for me is a low conversion likelihood.

    Lloris made two brilliant saves at 0-2. Apart from Bentelabs rocket and Kane's dribble against the post, we didn't test Adianne until the last ten minutes when we were brought back into the game by Roses' freak goal and then equalised from a needlessly given away soft penalty.

    For me, it was a totally unconvincing performance.

    I disagree. It is not that we didn't play well it's more that wet spam came and did a job, BFS packed the midfield and defence as he always does and this is their cup final remember. BUT we still had good chances to convert, Kane's early shot that hit the post, rose played through beautifully by Kane, eriksen' free kick. I thought on the balance of play we deserved the draw. We lost 3 times to these Cnut's last season so I'm happy that we have beaten them in the last minute and snatched a draw in the last minute hopefully their fans crying into their cornflakes tomorrow at what could have been.

  178. I have no idea why Big Sam is acting all victimised over the penalty. Kane was clearly clipped by Song, and this was a good 10 seconds before the stoppage time was over – so what's with this hogwash of calling off the match after Kane missed the pen? Makes no sense. Would've been beyond ridiculous had he done that.

    Even though we had a bad day at the office, we were better than Wet Spam today, created far more chances than they did, and thoroughly deserved the point in the end, I thought.

  179. Scoring so many late goals reminds me of the top sides and it means whoever we are playing know they need to keep playing until the last second. That for me is an important step towards establishing a winning mentality.

  180. Daisuk

    I have no idea why Big Sam is acting all victimised over the penalty. Kane was clearly clipped by Song, and this was a good 10 seconds before the stoppage time was over – so what's with this hogwash of calling off the match after Kane missed the pen? Makes no sense. Would've been beyond ridiculous had he done that.

    Even though we had a bad day at the office, we were better than Wet Spam today, created far more chances than they did, and thoroughly deserved the point in the end, I thought.

    BFS is trying to deflect attention away from his side losing a 2 goal lead against the auld enemy. Tbh they were lucky with their second goal when they had a player in the penalty box who was offside.

  181. People wondering why we had an off-day performance wise? Europa League returns. I think it highlights just how difficult it is to get a performance out of the team Sunday after playing Thursday and not having the time to properly plan for the opponents and develop a match strategy as we're planning for Fiorentina and training for playing them right until the end of the week.

    Still, as some have said, to be 2-0 down with 10 minutes to go and to get a point just points to the resilience found under Poch. The amount of late winners and equalisers are like Fergie's Man Utd. The attitude of the players and the team are spot on and we graft out points even when we're not playing well.

  182. Robspur12

    Scoring so many late goals reminds me of the top sides and it means whoever we are playing know they need to keep playing until the last second. That for me is an important step towards establishing a winning mentality.

    Spot on. I just could not believe people around us left with other ten minutes to go, never mind two. I have never known a Spurs team score so many late vital goals in one season.
    Okay it is slightly worrying we need to have to keep scoring them, but it is a great trait to have in a team, and long may it keep happening. Next Sunday would be a particularly crack covering time to score a last minute winner, even better if rebounds of the back of Soldado's ars#

  183. thfcsteff

    We did deserve to win. That doesn't mean we played particularly well.
    EDIT – in reply to a later post of yours, Soldado had an excellent shot which Adrian did exceptionally well to save, Rose got in behind and drifted his header just over, their second goal should've been offside (IMO) no we did enough to win today and Adrian had to have some form to keep us out early-doors. We did not play particularly well and a lot of players seemed to be missing a dimension with regards to focus, but despite that I still think a win would not have been absolutely undeserved. I agree we got slices of luck in the goals we DID get, but we earned them for ploughing on and in through minute 95. Let's face it, West 'Am did not come to play football, they came to steal. Our new mentality got us through today. It is why anybody writing off the top 4 today, February 22nd, is playing a fool's game, because this lot don't know when they're 'beaten' which is a great spirit to develop.

    I doubt you will find anyone outside partial Spurs fans who think we actually deserved to win today.

  184. Horrible game to watch as a Spurs fan; we were ѕhіt apart from the first 15 or so minutes. Dembele was turbo-ѕhіt. A hideous caricature of ourselves, unforced error after unforced error making life far too easy for a mediocre opponent.

  185. Yiddo

    What?

    I was drunk and emotional, ok? ;)

    What I meant to say was that our first goal completely changed the feel of the match and the atmosphere within the stadium.

    We deserved a draw, but the greedy part of me felt that we could and perhaps should have taken all three points.. Such is life. Sorry for the contradictory and poorly worded post.

  186. If there was going to be one game that we were going to suffer in it was this. Europa league hangover, little time to prepare for the game, excitement over the cup final with no one wanting to get injured, this being their cup final, and actually being half decent this season. Yet despite all of that we had the testicular fortitude to come back and snatch a draw.

    Yes it was lucky, but then they were lucky that Kane didn't connect properly when he hit the post, or Rose connected a little too well when he nodded over the bar, or that mason first gave away an unnecessary free-kick and then dembele gave away possession which led to their first, or the fact that their second was offside.

    These games always are affected by fine margins. Goals affect games.

    This team has some grit. They won't let us down in terms of effort. Very proud of them representing our football club right now

  187. diego_maradona

    If there was going to be one game that we were going to suffer in it was this. Europa league hangover, little time to prepare for the game, excitement over the cup final with no one wanting to get injured, this being their cup final, and actually being half decent this season. Yet despite all of that we had the testicular fortitude to come back and snatch a draw.

    Yes it was lucky, but then they were lucky that Kane didn't connect properly when he hit the post, or Rose connected a little too well when he nodded over the bar, or that mason first gave away an unnecessary free-kick and then dembele gave away possession which led to their first, or the fact that their second was offside.

    These games always are affected by fine margins. Goals affect games.

    This team has some grit. They won't let us down in terms of effort. Very proud of them representing our football club right now

    Brilliant post.

  188. Pirate55

    I doubt you will find anyone outside partial Spurs fans who think we actually deserved to win today.

    I agre, 'deserve' might be a bit over the top, but in fairness it was employed as a reaction to the some of darker responses to today. We didn't play that well, it was an off-day, but you would still have a pretty clear case to suggest we deserved to win based on shots, saves, the post, Noble staying on the pitch, possession and the fact they were clearly offside for the second goal. In fact hang on…I reverse my earlier statement. We deserved to win, because even though we were were poor, West 'Am were fekkkking pony!!!!!!;)

  189. Prior to Kane taking the penalty, the channel showing the match here in the US showed his penalty conversion rate: 5 attempted and only 3 scored. After today he's at 50%, converting 3 of 6. I know his confidence is high, but with Solly on the pitch why not have the "specialist" take it?

    Anyhow, just a small observation. Otherwise, I agree with most of what has been said re never-die attitude. Great to see it in a team that gave up so easily last season. That in itself is huge progress.

  190. alekaras

    Prior to Kane taking the penalty, the channel showing the match here in the US showed his penalty conversion rate: 5 attempted and only 3 scored. After today he's at 50%, converting 3 of 6. I know his confidence is high, but with Solly on the pitch why not have the "specialist" take it?

    Anyhow, just a small observation. Otherwise, I agree with most of what has been said re never-die attitude. Great to see it in a team that gave up so easily last season. That in itself is huge progress.

    Confidence is key, Kane has it right now Soldado hasn't. And how long back do we go for his last six penalties?

    We haven't had a good penalty taker for years, Van Der Vaart was the last I reckon

  191. chicken_badge

    Confidence is key, Kane has it right now Soldado hasn't. And how long back do we go for his last six penalties?

    We haven't had a good penalty taker for years, Van Der Vaart was the last I reckon

    Oh come on soldado has been a superb pen taker up until his one miss v city

  192. chicken_badge

    Confidence is key, Kane has it right now Soldado hasn't. And how long back do we go for his last six penalties?

    We haven't had a good penalty taker for years, Van Der Vaart was the last I reckon

    Yes.
    If Bobby had missed it he might not have had his head up to follow in. Kane did brilliantly to stay alert.

  193. **** off Kane, you diving prick.

    Terrible decision on the penalty…cheating c**nts

    We tinkled on them for 70 minutes. Then Noble went off…

    Kane is a ****ing cheat. Hope he gets a career ending injury. I ****ing hate divers and con-artists in football. A scourge on the game.

    How is he allowed to score the rebound. Penalty was taken after the alloted time.

    Never a penalty in a million ****ing years. Look at Kane's completely unnatural left leg movement. Very very very poor from the officials.

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    What a ****ing load of **** this is, how the **** does he get the job of Chief Football Writer at a national newspaper and come out with nonsense like that.

    We lost because of Alex Song, stupid to make contact in the box at that point. Kane was always going down. Has been s*** the last 2 months and is not worth the £15 million required to sign him. He cost us today

    Effectively we were absolutely robbed by two bits of luck – a miss hit into the ground and what appeared to be a dive at first glance for a penalty from a pretty inconsistent ref (Not including that Adrian saved it And it went back to Kane).

    not just a soft penalty but never a penalty at all. Trouble is that Kane is flavour of the month in the game at the min, people are lining up to suck him off, always gets decision. Can't be arsed to look it up but those curntycurnts seem to have had a lot of penalties this past few games.

    I smashed my hand through my girlfriends favorite picture (including glass) when the ref gifted them that penalty. Girlfriend went mental at me. Now in bed in the foetal position considering drowning my sorrows.

    I wouldn't mind clarification on the whole scoring the rebound off the penalty after the alotted time situation. If that's correct its a monumental balls up by the ref. Theoretically, couldn't the result be overturned as there was no further play? It's a black and white decision surely?

    I enjoyed Sams after match interview more…especially when he said "…when you're as desperate as Tottenham are."

    Anyone remember that last minute penalty not given when Song was taken out against Villa this season?

    Same ref as today.

    I detest them, absolutely ****ing detest them and Harry Kane, if he got injured badly tomorrow, I wouldn't care, the turncoat who celebrated Arsenals league win and the foolish filth fans believe he is "one of their own"

    So I managed to speak to a friend, who is an FA qualified ref. He maintains Moss should have blown for time the moment Adrian made the save and not allowed Kane to score from the rebound..

    Conclusion = we wuz robbed.

    Surprise surprise, Kane is a good lad so no dive according to MOTD.

    Walking into work and sitting there all smug with the Spurs lot all quiet. We know, they know, football knows that we're starting to become a direct rival to them

    And they hate it!

    Their first goal was lucky, Rose didn't hit it right, it sliced the ground and bounced over Adrian. The pen, well, I don't think it was a ****ing pen. They were rolling around all game, and the ref couldn't wait to give it, in the 96th minute.

    I could only get through a small fraction of their post-match comments.

  194. Lovely stuff, LOL. Some deluded folks there. Probably just very angry their team threw away a two goal lead though.

    Interesting claim that the ref should have blown the whistle immediately after the penalty was taken though. Sounds like sour grapes to me, but is there actually something to it? West Ham were time wasting like crazy even in extra time, so there were plenty of additional time to be added on top of the five minutes, IMO.

  195. My favorite is their and fat sams insistence that the final whistle should have been blown the moment the penalty was saved.

    1). when has that ever happened.
    2). We dont know how long the ref was allowing due to westhams time wasting – may have been 6 minutes anyway
    3). they wasted about 1 minute after the pen was given hence the ref has the right to add it on.

    4) . Mugs are just muggy

  196. Robbo

    Lovely stuff, LOL. Some deluded folks there. Probably just very angry their team threw away a two goal lead though.

    Interesting claim that the ref should have blown the whistle immediately after the penalty was taken though. Sounds like sour grapes to me, but is there actually something to it? West Ham were time wasting like crazy even in extra time, so there were plenty of additional time to be added on top of the five minutes, IMO.

    I don't think that argument holds much water as the added time is just a minimum. The ref can add on more at his discretion.

  197. There's a couple of rules that apply here:

    1) The time of a match is extended until a penalty kick is completed.
    2) The referee decides when the penalty is completed.

    So it's up to interpretation as far as I can tell. If the ref feels that the rebound is a part of the penalty then it is.

    The other interpretation is that the foul occurred on 94:45 meaning that there was 15 seconds of play left. If the following delays were down to time-wasting (and much of it was down to their keeper fudging about and their players not moving out of the box) then he is right to add on more time.

  198. Rorschach

    I don't think that argument holds much water as the added time is just a minimum. The ref can add on more at his discretion.

    If the ref is going on time indicated plus any extra accruing, that is well and good.

    I think the issue is him blowing 'immediately' after the goal, which could suggest to some that the penalty was deemed to be at the end of play. Given that their guys seriously encroached the ref should have ordered a retake …. but effectively played advantage, so there must have been time remaining. I can't see from the MotD coverage when the ref blew nor any other of his final actions beyond following the rebound very intently.

    I suspect there was 20-30secs in the refs mind, which would be used in any normal celebration and restart, so the ref blowing during the celebrations was about right.

    Law 14 – http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-14—the-penalty-kick

    As for Slim Sam (I speak as a Stoutist) wondering where 5mins came from, subs & bookings are predominantly 2nd half activities, each of which has a nominal 20s?. Add treatment of injuries – again a 2nd half 'thing' – and you very rarely see <3 mins, often 4. There was a lot of ref chat/heckling, so minimum of 5 was about right.

    As for MotD moaning about refs – time wasted and referee decision overload is TOTALLY down to the players and management, but ALL teams have to change. Stop the cheating, let the ref be a spectator and timekeeper.

  199. Hahaha at the West Ham comments. I'm also surprised that one of them went into work with his Spurs supporting mates all quiet – doesn't sound right to me. Coming back from 2-0 down to draw 2-2 so late feels like a win, must feel like a crushing defeat to them lot, as per their comments muahahahaha. As to them becoming a rival? Their best team in well over a decade is 8th and we've taken 4 points off them this season. They're just your typical difficult to play-against Allardyce team. Lots of pace and physical players, hit it forward early and get balls into the box. They've got a good defence too. Thought Reid handled Kane well all game to be fair, but he had the last laugh.

  200. Whistl

    Whiffler

    If the ref is going on time indicated plus any extra accruing, that is well and good.

    I think the issue is him blowing 'immediately' after the goal, which could suggest to some that the penalty was deemed to be at the end of play. Given that their guys seriously encroached the ref should have ordered a retake …. but effectively played advantage, so there must have been time remaining. I can't see from the MotD coverage when the ref blew nor any other of his final actions beyond following the rebound very intently.

    I suspect there was 20-30secs in the refs mind, which would be used in any normal celebration and restart, so the ref blowing during the celebrations was about right.

    Law 14 – http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-14—the-penalty-kick

    As for Slim Sam (I speak as a Stoutist) wondering where 5mins came from, subs & bookings are predominantly 2nd half activities, each of which has a nominal 20s?. Add treatment of injuries – again a 2nd half 'thing' – and you very rarely see <3 mins, often 4. There was a lot of ref chat/heckling, so minimum of 5 was about right.

    As for MotD moaning about refs – time wasted and referee decision overload is TOTALLY down to the players and management, but ALL teams have to change. Stop the cheating, let the ref be a spectator and timekeeper.

    Whistle was blown 2 secs into the restart…!

  201. Interesting to see a number of West Ham fans (and Allardyce) moaning about the ref and specifically the amount of time added on…. So let's ignore the fact that their second goal was offside, Noble should've got a second yellow mid way through the second half and the fact that Song's challenge on Kane was a definite penalty and simply consider the amount of time added on….

    Personally I felt that only 5 minutes being added on was criminally low:

    2 goals scored = a minimum of 1 minute of added time.
    5 substitutions made = a minimum of 2 minutes and 30 seconds to be added on (although I reckon Noble alone took about 2 minutes to get off the pitch).
    Noble tackle from behind that should've resulted in a 2nd yellow and him being sent off. = 1 minute delay for ref to restore calm and then decide to bottle it in terms of sending him off.
    Various instances of West Ham players going down and faking injury to receive treatment and waste time. Should been another 2 minutes.
    West Ham wasting time on every goal kick and throw in. Should've been another 2 minutes for that as well (I lost count of the number of times the ref made the 'I'm stopping my watch' gesture)

    Had 8 minutes added time been put up then I don't think West Ham could've moaned at that at all…. I don't pay £1000 for a season ticket to spend 10% of the game watching the opposition waste time.

    The most embarrassing thing of all is that West Ham actually started their time wasting in the first half…. Not sure I've seen another team start to waste time so early other than Sam Allardyce's Bolton team. Imagine having to support a team who start wasting time in the first half? The funny thing is that most West Ham fans used to massively slag off the way Bolton played football and yet they are now pretty much exactly the same team (although even Bolton had one genius of a player worth watching in Jay Jay Okocha, whereas the closest thing West Ham have to a flair player is Stewart Downing)

    As an aside here I think Pochettino needs to find a better way of playing against a team like West Ham who negate our pressing game by simply bypassing it with their long ball game.

    As a second aside here – I'm not sure about the rest of you but I thought that Winston Reid passed his audition for the role of a Tottenham Hotspur centre half with flying colours. An extremely impressive performance I thought and played better than either of our two central defenders on the day.

  202. As a second aside here – I'm not sure about the rest of you but I thought that Winston Reid passed his audition for the role of a Tottenham Hotspur centre half with flying colours. An extremely impressive performance I thought and played better than either of our two central defenders on the day.

    I was thinking that as well, as it all seems to have went quiet I thought I'd missed him resigning with wet span.

  203. Absolutely ridiculous comments from some of those West Ham fans.

    Thought Allardyce was deluded with some of his comments, but apparently the fans were all too eager to listen to his excuses. Funny him calling us desperate when he's the one looking like he might be out of a job come the summer despite probably getting them the best league finish in years and years…

  204. Poor result yesterday but understandable after a tough Europa game a few days previously.

    Don't care what anyone says, I hate West Ham with a passion and was desperate for us to put one over them. If Poch could have engineered wins over our three biggest rivals, at the Lane, in the space of two months he'd have my support for the next five years in the bank already!

    None of our players played well but we ground out a point which is better than no points, especially with so many teams so close together and just as importantly it kept West Ham at arm's length – if they had won then went on to beat Palace at home next week they would go above us.

    COYS

  205. mouville

    I don't know why Verts needs to get involved all the time. His pushing over of Noble will no doubt be mentioned comparing to the push by Matic that got a red card. At least the ref saw it so no futher action can be taken.

    Thought this might crop up at the time.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo…ents-in-bid-to-get-Nemanja-Matic-ban-cut.html

    ''…Vertonghen also escaped punishment at the weekend for a push on West Ham midfielder Mark Noble, when the Tottenham central defender reacted to a foul on Nabil Bentaleb.'

    Mourinho really is a piece of work but Jan has given him just what he wanted.

  206. thfcsteff

    We did deserve to win. That doesn't mean we played particularly well.
    EDIT – in reply to a later post of yours, Soldado had an excellent shot which Adrian did exceptionally well to save, Rose got in behind and drifted his header just over, their second goal should've been offside (IMO) no we did enough to win today and Adrian had to have some form to keep us out early-doors. We did not play particularly well and a lot of players seemed to be missing a dimension with regards to focus, but despite that I still think a win would not have been absolutely undeserved. I agree we got slices of luck in the goals we DID get, but we earned them for ploughing on and in through minute 95. Let's face it, West 'Am did not come to play football, they came to steal. Our new mentality got us through today. It is why anybody writing off the top 4 today, February 22nd, is playing a fool's game, because this lot don't know when they're 'beaten' which is a great spirit to develop.

    Great to see the spirit and fantastic to avoid defeat against the spammers. Their supporters comments are gems. However, it must not be forgotten that they had three other gilt edged chances which Lloris somehow saved. Even the Spurophile JJ commented that we really didn't deserve even a draw.

    However, finally, and most importantly we are all spared another BFS avatar ;) TTFFT

  207. The fact that that West Ham actually kick-off after the goal before the whistle is blown means the penalty wasn't given in the last second of added time. So West Ham's argument becomes totally invalid.

  208. mouville

    Thought this might crop up at the time.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo…ents-in-bid-to-get-Nemanja-Matic-ban-cut.html

    ''…Vertonghen also escaped punishment at the weekend for a push on West Ham midfielder Mark Noble, when the Tottenham central defender reacted to a foul on Nabil Bentaleb.'

    Mourinho really is a piece of work but Jan has given him just what he wanted.

    I have no doubt at all that Matic will end up playing in the final. Mourinho will continue to whine until the sending off is overturned

  209. glasgowspur

    As a second aside here – I'm not sure about the rest of you but I thought that Winston Reid passed his audition for the role of a Tottenham Hotspur centre half with flying colours. An extremely impressive performance I thought and played better than either of our two central defenders on the day.

    I was thinking that as well, as it all seems to have went quiet I thought I'd missed him resigning with wet span.

    He impressed me too

  210. paxtonwolf

    I have no doubt at all that Matic will end up playing in the final. Mourinho will continue to whine until the sending off is overturned

    I hate Mourinho but on this one, I have to say philosophically I agree with him. Matic should not have done that, but the 'tackle' was madness. He should've been allowed leniency IMO. Ditto Verts, deserved the leniency. So I HATE to agree with the taunt but on this one he has a point. Hope the decision sticks though…;)

  211. Although I am not entirely reversing my position I'm thinking that, at this point, we might as well put more emphasis on the Fiorentina match. This draw set us back in our top-4 challenge and, although we are still only 3 points off 4th, I see it being a bit more difficult to achieve CL through the league. If we can get into the next round of EL, at least we'll have a fallback option, if our next 2-3 PL games don't go well.

  212. A section of Wet Spam fans continue to distinguish themselves with their hatred and ignorance:

    The Football Association has promised a thorough investigation into allegations that West Ham United fans at White Hart Lane for Sunday’s Premier League match against Tottenham Hotspur used language that was derogatory and insulting towards people with learning disabilities.

    The allegation has been made by Kevin Kilbane, the TV pundit and former Republic of Ireland international as well as a patron of the Down’s Syndrome Association. His 10-year-old daughter, Elsie, has Down’s syndrome.

    He was not at the game but was informed of the chants by Andy Merriman, a Tottenham season-ticket holder and author, whose daughter, Sarah, also has Down’s syndrome. Merriman was ghost writer of Kilbane’s autobiography, Killa. “It was very clear and sadly it appeared to be from a large number of West Ham fans in the ground,” Kilbane told the Mirror and the Mail. “This was not isolated to a handful of people.”

    Over the weekend a video surfaced apparently showing West Ham fans on a train to the same game singing antisemitic chants. The club responded to that controversy by promising that “if any individual is found to have behaved in an inappropriate way … they will face the strongest possible action, including the option of a life ban from the Boleyn Ground.”

    According to Kilbane during the game they sang that “Harry Kane talks like a mong and plays like one too”, using a derogatory term for people with learning disabilities.

    “I am sure they understand they are causing offence,” said Kilbane. “You cannot sweep it under the carpet and label it as ignorance. It is visible and clear and, like racist or homophobic chanting, it is intended to cause offence. I want to be able to take my kids to football matches and when Elsie gets older she will understand about her condition and I would not want her to hear that kind of chanting. If her sister Isla heard it, she would be devastated too, as my friend’s sons were.

    “I spoke to him and he was extremely upset and I felt I had to report it. No family should have to put up with it at football matches.

    “It is also extremely offensive towards Harry Kane, who is only a young lad, starting out in the game and who does not deserve that kind of disgusting abuse just because he is a footballer.

    “This is a wider society problem, not just a problem with football, and idiots are using football as a tool to show their ignorance and discrimination.

    “I have spoken to the FA and they have assured me they will investigate it thoroughly. In all my time playing and watching football I have never heard this before. Hopefully we can do something to make sure it isn’t again and this awful chant does not spread.”

  213. Cochise

    TBF, Barnes put in a leg breaker and the ref missed it. The guy should've walked.

    Except it wasn't a tackle – he went for and played the ball. The subsequent follow through and arrival from another angle of Matic was where the contact was made. Half a second later and Matic might have hit Barnes. Matic feigned injury until he realised he had no backing then flew at Barnes …. retaliation has for many years judged harsher than initial 'offence', AND he pushed him over. Red red red, all day long …. if he appeals successfully it will be a disgrace.

    As for Verts – the referee had blown after first rabid tackle and Verts put hands up to stop the impact or worse, causing Spammer to rebound and grovel like a girlie. Ref took no action, which speaks volumes.

  214. Satisfied that we came from 2 goals down to draw this match. But really disappointed we failed to win this match. This is surely 2 valuable points lost in our top 4 race. We should not have conceded 2 goals at home to a shyte team like West Ham in the first place. It is really annoying that we have failed to beat West Ham at home in our last 3 matches now. We seem to be letting too many teams becoming our jinx teams in recent years. Hope we change that habit as it is costing us many league points.

    As soon as I saw Eriksen not starting, knew we would struggle. It is no logic to rest our key players like Eriksen and Kane. Pochettino did the mistake against Fiorentina by resting Kane. Here he did the same mistake by not starting Eriksen. Pochettino should have realised by now that we cannot afford to rest key players like them. Eriksen's creativity would have helped our attack more in the first half against West Ham. Look at how he improved our attack when he came in the 2nd half.

    Credit to Rose and Kane for scoring the goals, even if both were lucky to score. It was a mis hit from Rose that managed to cheat the West Ham goalie. Similiarly, thought it was a soft penalty for Kane which he only managed to score from the rebound. Despite this, nice to see Kane continuing his goal run. He has now scored 14 league goals, just 3 behind top league top scorers Aguero and Costa. It will be amazing if Kane goes on to become the league's top scorer this season.

    To concede 2 goals to a team like West Ham at home only shows how poor our defence have been lately. We just can't seem to keep a clean sheet nowadays. Even Lloris seems to be beaten easily in goal now. Wish Pochettino will do something about our defending before it spoils our season. I really think Pochettino should start a defensive midfielder like Stambouli regularly to protect our defence more.

    We have simply lost too many points at home this season. It might come back to affect us later in the season. But fortunately for us, other teams in the top 4 race are also struggling. Otherwise we would have been out of the top 4 race already. Hope the late comeback draw against West Ham will prove to be crucial later in the season.

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